Comments on: The Culminating Sealing Ordinance of the Temple http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:33:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Tim Barker http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/comment-page-2/#comment-5600 Tim Barker Wed, 22 Dec 2010 01:51:09 +0000 http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/#comment-5600 I suppose this comment is a couple years late, but the subject never gets old. I think a lot of misconception be cleared up for most people by referring to some authoritative literature (of course the scriptures are packed full of the subject) - I don't have all references handy, but you can find the material within the references pretty easily: Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pgs 150-151, and 307-309 Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Bruce R. McConkie Making Your Calling and Election Sure, Marion G. Romney (Conference Talk) The Fullness of the Priesthood, Joseph Fielding Smith (Conference Talk April 1970) What I Hope You Will Teach Your Children About The Temple, Ezra Taft Benson, Ensign, Aug 1985 Also see "Accepted of the Lord: The Doctrine of Making Your Calling and Election Sure" by Roy Doxey, in Ensign, July 1976. There are several hundred references that could be provided, but these sources will provide a good understanding. A few comments on prior posts. Joseph couldn't have received the 2nd Comforter during the First Vision, as he had not yet received the 1st Comforter (again see TPJS). There are several phrases that relate to the same subject, all pertaining to being sealed to eternal life. It was mentioned whether revelation was sufficient, or whether an ordinance was sufficient - either being alone. The answer is in D&C 131, as previously commented. "The more sure word of prophecy [equivalent to the Fullness of the Priesthood, Calling and Election sure, etc.] means a man's knowing that he is sealed up unto eternal life, by revelation and the spirit of prophecy, through the power of the Holy Priesthood. There are either two or three elements there: revelation, the spirit of prophecy, and the Holy Priesthood. I'm not sure about timing on each of these, but Heber C. Kimball received a revelation that he was sealed to eternal life years before he received an ordinance (Life of Heber C. Kimball, 241, vs. HCK Journal for 1843). Perhaps it is like baptism, in that it is incomplete without the baptism of the Holy Ghost as well. It is my opinion that revelation and ordinance will be necessary prior to exaltation. I suppose this comment is a couple years late, but the subject never gets old. I think a lot of misconception be cleared up for most people by referring to some authoritative literature (of course the scriptures are packed full of the subject) – I don’t have all references handy, but you can find the material within the references pretty easily:
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pgs 150-151, and 307-309
Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith
Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Bruce R. McConkie
Making Your Calling and Election Sure, Marion G. Romney (Conference Talk)
The Fullness of the Priesthood, Joseph Fielding Smith (Conference Talk April 1970)
What I Hope You Will Teach Your Children About The Temple, Ezra Taft Benson, Ensign, Aug 1985

Also see “Accepted of the Lord: The Doctrine of Making Your Calling and Election Sure” by Roy Doxey, in Ensign, July 1976.
There are several hundred references that could be provided, but these sources will provide a good understanding.

A few comments on prior posts. Joseph couldn’t have received the 2nd Comforter during the First Vision, as he had not yet received the 1st Comforter (again see TPJS). There are several phrases that relate to the same subject, all pertaining to being sealed to eternal life. It was mentioned whether revelation was sufficient, or whether an ordinance was sufficient – either being alone. The answer is in D&C 131, as previously commented. “The more sure word of prophecy [equivalent to the Fullness of the Priesthood, Calling and Election sure, etc.] means a man’s knowing that he is sealed up unto eternal life, by revelation and the spirit of prophecy, through the power of the Holy Priesthood. There are either two or three elements there: revelation, the spirit of prophecy, and the Holy Priesthood. I’m not sure about timing on each of these, but Heber C. Kimball received a revelation that he was sealed to eternal life years before he received an ordinance (Life of Heber C. Kimball, 241, vs. HCK Journal for 1843). Perhaps it is like baptism, in that it is incomplete without the baptism of the Holy Ghost as well. It is my opinion that revelation and ordinance will be necessary prior to exaltation.

]]> By: Tony http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/comment-page-2/#comment-5218 Tony Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:22:02 +0000 http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/#comment-5218 Wow, thanks Bryce, and all. I feel so fed after reading all these comments and the washing of feet post. Wow! I even got a new insight as I was writing a paper on sacrifice when I saw that the imposition or laying on of hands for sacrifice was meant to show that the officiator was dedicating it to God. I've since thought about how that applies to the laying on of hands in the Church. So incredibly interesting :) Oh, and it was great to see what Mconckie said about the sealing the servants of God on their foreheads. That makes more sense to me now. Wow, thanks Bryce, and all. I feel so fed after reading all these comments and the washing of feet post. Wow!

I even got a new insight as I was writing a paper on sacrifice when I saw that the imposition or laying on of hands for sacrifice was meant to show that the officiator was dedicating it to God. I’ve since thought about how that applies to the laying on of hands in the Church.

So incredibly interesting :)

Oh, and it was great to see what Mconckie said about the sealing the servants of God on their foreheads. That makes more sense to me now.

]]> By: Brent Mangum http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/comment-page-2/#comment-5217 Brent Mangum Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:21:17 +0000 http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/#comment-5217 I posted the above because I think it is important to know the enemy as well as God. Jesus said And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" (John 17:3). Joseph Smith said "If men do not comprehend the character of God, they do not comprehend themselves." Sun Tzu said, "If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." The temple is far and away the best place to find out who you are and what your potential is as well as recieve instruction on who the enemy is, what he will do/use to overcome us, and how we can avoid deception and win the race. I posted the above because I think it is important to know the enemy as well as God. Jesus said And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3). Joseph Smith said “If men do not comprehend the character of God, they do not comprehend themselves.” Sun Tzu said, “If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.” The temple is far and away the best place to find out who you are and what your potential is as well as recieve instruction on who the enemy is, what he will do/use to overcome us, and how we can avoid deception and win the race.

]]> By: Brent Mangum http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/comment-page-2/#comment-5215 Brent Mangum Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:18:03 +0000 http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/#comment-5215 I noticed the post (Sep 6, 2008 at 1:28 pm) about satans counterfeits. I think that gangs may be his imitation of the temple, the gaddianton robbers being the most familiar one. Modern gangs are probably no different from ancient ones as they are "inspired" from the same source, so lets look at them. Gangs have initiation rights, signs for recognition (both hand signals and in grafiti), initiates get new names/gang names, there is specific vocabulary/code words for initiates as well as laws and punishments when those secrets are revealed. There are probably more paralells. Most importantly, however, the gang supplants the family with the intent to destroy it, whereas the family is God's ordained sociatal organization that is properly organized in the temple through the priesthood. The society that allows gangs to operate will be destroyed by them. I noticed the post (Sep 6, 2008 at 1:28 pm) about satans counterfeits. I think that gangs may be his imitation of the temple, the gaddianton robbers being the most familiar one. Modern gangs are probably no different from ancient ones as they are “inspired” from the same source, so lets look at them. Gangs have initiation rights, signs for recognition (both hand signals and in grafiti), initiates get new names/gang names, there is specific vocabulary/code words for initiates as well as laws and punishments when those secrets are revealed. There are probably more paralells. Most importantly, however, the gang supplants the family with the intent to destroy it, whereas the family is God’s ordained sociatal organization that is properly organized in the temple through the priesthood. The society that allows gangs to operate will be destroyed by them.

]]> By: Tyson Ferney http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/comment-page-2/#comment-4344 Tyson Ferney Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:19:08 +0000 http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/#comment-4344 Alright....alright... I promise to leave this alone after sharing these verses. D&C 105:35-36 35 There has been a day of calling, but the time has come for a day of choosing; and let those be chosen that are worthy. 36 And it shall be manifest unto my servant, by the voice of the Spirit, those that are chosen; and they shall be sanctified; As I read these verses, particularily 36. I couldn't help to think that Spirit will manifest to the prophet those who are "chosen," and then they are presented before the Lord to be sanctified. Alright….alright… I promise to leave this alone after sharing these verses.

D&C 105:35-36

35 There has been a day of calling, but the time has come for a day of choosing; and let those be chosen that are worthy.
36 And it shall be manifest unto my servant, by the voice of the Spirit, those that are chosen; and they shall be sanctified;

As I read these verses, particularily 36. I couldn’t help to think that Spirit will manifest to the prophet those who are “chosen,” and then they are presented before the Lord to be sanctified.

]]> By: Tyson Ferney http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/comment-page-2/#comment-4318 Tyson Ferney Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:45:14 +0000 http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/#comment-4318 In regards to the verse mentioned in my previous post. I just realized that you covered it here very well. http://www.templestudy.com/2008/05/06/washing-of-feet/ In regards to the verse mentioned in my previous post.

I just realized that you covered it here very well. http://www.templestudy.com/2008/05/06/washing-of-feet/

]]> By: Tyson Ferney http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/comment-page-2/#comment-4273 Tyson Ferney Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:22:35 +0000 http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/#comment-4273 A couple things come to mind as I read through this blog and comments. One is the the Oath and Covenant of the Priesthood described in D&C 84. I think this section gives a wonderful summary of this topic. I've read the section many times. Especially after President Faust gave a wonderful talk about entitled, "The Key of the Knowledge of God" given in 2004. In short, the oath is outlined in the section as described in the progressive ordinances. The covenant isn't as clearly explained. As I read it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is found in D&C 84:43-44. The covenant is established when the Lord, through His annointed servant or by himself, provides the "words of eternal life." The calling and election of Alma found in Mosiah 26:20 provides a great example of this covenant and an example of one who recieves the words of eternal life. I have another scripture to share, but...I'm at work and the verse slips my mind. It is in the D&C and when I read it it seemed like it mentioned that those who are provided such blessings are made know to the president of the church. I appologize for my lack of reference. I'll find it and post back. A couple things come to mind as I read through this blog and comments. One is the the Oath and Covenant of the Priesthood described in D&C 84. I think this section gives a wonderful summary of this topic. I’ve read the section many times. Especially after President Faust gave a wonderful talk about entitled, “The Key of the Knowledge of God” given in 2004.

In short, the oath is outlined in the section as described in the progressive ordinances. The covenant isn’t as clearly explained. As I read it, and please correct me if I’m wrong, is found in D&C 84:43-44. The covenant is established when the Lord, through His annointed servant or by himself, provides the “words of eternal life.”

The calling and election of Alma found in Mosiah 26:20 provides a great example of this covenant and an example of one who recieves the words of eternal life.

I have another scripture to share, but…I’m at work and the verse slips my mind. It is in the D&C and when I read it it seemed like it mentioned that those who are provided such blessings are made know to the president of the church. I appologize for my lack of reference. I’ll find it and post back.

]]> By: Alberto Fernandez http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/comment-page-2/#comment-4030 Alberto Fernandez Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:18:37 +0000 http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/#comment-4030 Hi Bryce Haymond ! from Monterrey, N.L. México. Thank you for this very interesting subject or topic. Sorry for any grammar error but I´m still learning English. Just I want to tell you that our concern must be on focus in keeping all commitments ,ordinances and trust completly in the Lord. Hi Bryce Haymond ! from Monterrey, N.L. México. Thank you for this very interesting subject or topic. Sorry for any grammar error but I´m still learning English. Just I want to tell
you that our concern must be on focus in keeping all commitments ,ordinances and trust completly in the Lord.

]]> By: Bryce Haymond http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/comment-page-2/#comment-3961 Bryce Haymond Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:04:05 +0000 http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/#comment-3961 Yes. I suspect very few members have received this ordinance in life. If you live a faithful life, then there are no worries. You will be sealed up to eternal life together. Yes. I suspect very few members have received this ordinance in life. If you live a faithful life, then there are no worries. You will be sealed up to eternal life together.

]]> By: Anna http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/comment-page-2/#comment-3960 Anna Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:22:37 +0000 http://www.templestudy.com/2008/03/25/the-culminating-sealing-ordinance-of-the-temple/#comment-3960 So, we can receive this additional, second sealing AFTER DEATH, correct? I hate to think that, despite being married in the temple to my husband, I won't "truly" be with him or something like that. So, we can receive this additional, second sealing AFTER DEATH, correct? I hate to think that, despite being married in the temple to my husband, I won’t “truly” be with him or something like that.

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