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	<title>Comments on: Why Don&#8217;t we Find Our Modern Temple in the Old Testament?</title>
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		<title>By: Rebekah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article thanks for making some defining clarifications in regards to Priesthood authority. But this got me to thinking that their is one set of people found in the Book of Mormon that weren&#039;t under the Levitical/Mosaic law and that would be the Jaredites since their leaving the old world was before Mosaic law was introduced. So this would mean that even though on one side of the world, a part of the populations was practicing Levitical Temple rites and laws and on the other side of the world in the Americas, a group of people at least during the Jaredite  timeline were more than likely practicing the Melchizedek Temple rites or at least had knowledge of them. In consideration in regards to how the restoration took place in the Americas, this seems to be an interesting parallel to note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article thanks for making some defining clarifications in regards to Priesthood authority. But this got me to thinking that their is one set of people found in the Book of Mormon that weren&#8217;t under the Levitical/Mosaic law and that would be the Jaredites since their leaving the old world was before Mosaic law was introduced. So this would mean that even though on one side of the world, a part of the populations was practicing Levitical Temple rites and laws and on the other side of the world in the Americas, a group of people at least during the Jaredite  timeline were more than likely practicing the Melchizedek Temple rites or at least had knowledge of them. In consideration in regards to how the restoration took place in the Americas, this seems to be an interesting parallel to note.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Haymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce Haymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Larsen over at his recent post about &lt;a href=&quot;http://davidjlarsen.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/how-many-judaisms/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Judaism&lt;/a&gt; at Heavenly Ascents gives his review of some interesting research that may shed light as to why we might not easily find or recognize the ordinances of the Melchizedek priesthood in our current Old Testament, whereas they seem to show up readily in the pseudepigrapha material.  Very interesting analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Larsen over at his recent post about <a href="http://davidjlarsen.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/how-many-judaisms/" rel="nofollow">Judaism</a> at Heavenly Ascents gives his review of some interesting research that may shed light as to why we might not easily find or recognize the ordinances of the Melchizedek priesthood in our current Old Testament, whereas they seem to show up readily in the pseudepigrapha material.  Very interesting analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Sporgsmal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sporgsmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brigham Young may have made the same mistake that many modern readers of the Bible make (Mormons, Jack-Mormons, and anti-Mormons alike) -- Since the endowment ceremony is not discernable (all in one place) in the text he assumed that the Israelites (he may have been thinking of the common people) were not receiving the endowment in Solomon&#039;s Temple. The fact is, however, that MANY Israelites (kings and priests) received the pre-Atonement endowment initiation ceremonies. And yes, they do match what Latter-day Saints experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brigham Young may have made the same mistake that many modern readers of the Bible make (Mormons, Jack-Mormons, and anti-Mormons alike) &#8212; Since the endowment ceremony is not discernable (all in one place) in the text he assumed that the Israelites (he may have been thinking of the common people) were not receiving the endowment in Solomon&#8217;s Temple. The fact is, however, that MANY Israelites (kings and priests) received the pre-Atonement endowment initiation ceremonies. And yes, they do match what Latter-day Saints experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferreira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferreira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across this from Brigham Young, spoken at the dedication of the St. George Temple. 

&quot;It is true that Solomon built a Temple for the purpose of giving endowments, but from what we can learn of the history of that time they gave very few if any endowments....  I will not say but what Enoch had Temples and officiated therein, but we have no account of it.&quot;  JD 18:303.

He does say &quot;from what we can learn of the history,&quot; so I don&#039;t see this as a definitive statement but an honest attempt to obtain the facts and make a judgment.  His point at the time was to get the Saints to realize the amazing blessings available to them in the newly finished temple and to realize that most people in the world&#039;s history had not been so blessed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across this from Brigham Young, spoken at the dedication of the St. George Temple. </p>
<p>&#8220;It is true that Solomon built a Temple for the purpose of giving endowments, but from what we can learn of the history of that time they gave very few if any endowments&#8230;.  I will not say but what Enoch had Temples and officiated therein, but we have no account of it.&#8221;  JD 18:303.</p>
<p>He does say &#8220;from what we can learn of the history,&#8221; so I don&#8217;t see this as a definitive statement but an honest attempt to obtain the facts and make a judgment.  His point at the time was to get the Saints to realize the amazing blessings available to them in the newly finished temple and to realize that most people in the world&#8217;s history had not been so blessed.</p>
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		<title>By: David Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post!</p>
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		<title>By: Ferreira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferreira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lehi&#039;s family gives an example: Lehi held the Melchizedek priesthood, and his people later established temples which would have been under that order.  As a high priest, the rites in their fulness would have been available to Lehi in Jerusalem. (or no?) He left Jerusalem (because it was deadly for a true high priest to stay) before the Babylonian exile.   But then,  as was mentioned, the order of the temple descended further after the exile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lehi&#8217;s family gives an example: Lehi held the Melchizedek priesthood, and his people later established temples which would have been under that order.  As a high priest, the rites in their fulness would have been available to Lehi in Jerusalem. (or no?) He left Jerusalem (because it was deadly for a true high priest to stay) before the Babylonian exile.   But then,  as was mentioned, the order of the temple descended further after the exile.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Haymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce Haymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 04:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be very interested to hear (and see) what is presented.  Thank you for your insights!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be very interested to hear (and see) what is presented.  Thank you for your insights!</p>
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		<title>By: Sporgsmal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sporgsmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 03:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;You said:&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;we just don’t get a lot of that reading in the Bible.&quot;
&lt;strong&gt;Sporgsmal replies:&lt;/strong&gt; You might want to buckle your seatbelt (2008 will be a fine year for those with eyes to see). 

&lt;strong&gt;You asked:&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;Are you saying that the kings of Israel were initiated into the ordinances of the Melchizedek priesthood, while the priests of Israel were initiated into the ordinances of the Aaronic priesthood?&quot;
&lt;strong&gt;Sporgsmal says:&lt;/strong&gt; youbetchya

&lt;strong&gt;You said:&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;just because certain ordinances [like baptism for the dead] are mentioned in D&amp;C 124 does not mean that those OT prophets or people necessarily practiced them.&quot;
&lt;strong&gt;Sporgsmal replies:&lt;/strong&gt; Actually, baptism for the dead is only one single ordinance and was not instituted until the meridian dispensation. The other things mentioned in D&amp;C 124 have direct relevance from a OT restoration standpoint -- &quot;statutes&quot; or laws; &quot;memorials&quot; for sacrifices by the Sons of Levi (priests); conversations and oracles at the &quot;most holy&quot; place (kings); things associated with &quot;glory, honor, and endowment&quot; (Gk. - to clothe; cf. the Hebrew of Ex. 28:2); &quot;keys&quot; to be used for certain purposes (the king is clearly associated with those keys in Old Testament texts); etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>You said:</strong> &#8220;we just don't get a lot of that reading in the Bible.&#8221;<br />
<strong>Sporgsmal replies:</strong> You might want to buckle your seatbelt (2008 will be a fine year for those with eyes to see). </p>
<p><strong>You asked:</strong> &#8220;Are you saying that the kings of Israel were initiated into the ordinances of the Melchizedek priesthood, while the priests of Israel were initiated into the ordinances of the Aaronic priesthood?&#8221;<br />
<strong>Sporgsmal says:</strong> youbetchya</p>
<p><strong>You said:</strong> &#8220;just because certain ordinances [like baptism for the dead] are mentioned in <a style="padding:1px;color:#901808;text-decoration:;" href="#" onclick="linkClick('dslink_1686500070');return false;" onmouseover="linkMouseOver('dslink_1686500070');" onmouseout="linkMouseOut('dslink_1686500070');">&#68;&&#67; 124</a> does not mean that those OT prophets or people necessarily practiced them.&#8221;<br />
<strong>Sporgsmal replies:</strong> Actually, baptism for the dead is only one single ordinance and was not instituted until the meridian dispensation. The other things mentioned in <a style="padding:1px;color:#901808;text-decoration:;" href="#" onclick="linkClick('dslink_1686500070');return false;" onmouseover="linkMouseOver('dslink_1686500070');" onmouseout="linkMouseOut('dslink_1686500070');">&#68;&&#67; 124</a> have direct relevance from a OT restoration standpoint &#8212; &#8220;statutes&#8221; or laws; &#8220;memorials&#8221; for sacrifices by the Sons of Levi (priests); conversations and oracles at the &#8220;most holy&#8221; place (kings); things associated with &#8220;glory, honor, and endowment&#8221; (Gk. &#8211; to clothe; cf. the Hebrew of <a style="padding:1px;color:#901808;text-decoration:;" href="#" onclick="linkClick('dslink_1164194539');return false;" onmouseover="linkMouseOver('dslink_1164194539');" onmouseout="linkMouseOut('dslink_1164194539');">&#69;&#120;. 28:2</a>); &#8220;keys&#8221; to be used for certain purposes (the king is clearly associated with those keys in Old Testament texts); etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Haymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce Haymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, Sporgsmal.  I will be attending both the conference and the symposium.  I&#039;m anxious to hear the latest scholarship on the temple.  It&#039;s going to be great!

Are you saying that the kings of Israel were initiated into the ordinances of the Melchizedek priesthood, while the priests of Israel were initiated into the ordinances of the Aaronic priesthood?    That sounds right.  When I said that &quot;the ordinances just aren&#039;t the same&quot; I was referring to those practices that dominate a reading of the first books of Moses in the Bible compared with the temple practices of today.  What we read there seems mostly geared towards the priests and their work.  Little is said about the high priest, or what he did in the Tabernacle, or even in Solomon&#039;s temple.  It is entirely possible that the high priest, prophet, or king was participating in the higher ordinances behind the veiled curtains of the holy of holies, but we just don&#039;t get a lot of that reading in the Bible.  And perhaps that is because, as David said, the descriptions in the Bible are biased towards the Aaronic priests.  The higher ordinances of the Melchizedek priesthood may have been had in the Tabernacle and in Solomon&#039;s temple; but if they were, they were kept only for very select individuals.  Israel as a whole was not ready or worthy to receive them.

It&#039;s interesting to note that in D&amp;C 124 it also mentions baptisms for the dead, yet we know that this ordinance was not performed at the time of Moses or any other OT prophet because Christ had not yet thrown open the gates of spirit prison during his visit to that world during the three days of his entombment.  On this point Dr. Skinner agrees: &quot;This aspect [redemption of the dead] of the Father&#039;s plan was not an afterthought, &lt;b&gt;though it did not become operational until after Jesus&#039; mortal death on the cross&lt;/b&gt; and his redemptive sojourn in the world of spirits (see D&amp;C 138)&quot; (Temple Worship, 25).  Elder McConkie concurs: &quot;Baptisms for the dead were not performed in pre-meridian dispensations&quot; (Mormon Doctrine, 72).  So just because certain ordinances are mentioned in D&amp;C 124 does not mean that those OT prophets or people necessarily practiced them.  Skinner adds that &quot;most of the ordinances administered on a daily basis in the authorized temples were Aaronic Priesthood in nature and were performed by Aaronic priests, as described in the Old Testament&quot; (Temple Worship, 125).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Sporgsmal.  I will be attending both the conference and the symposium.  I&#8217;m anxious to hear the latest scholarship on the temple.  It&#8217;s going to be great!</p>
<p>Are you saying that the kings of Israel were initiated into the ordinances of the Melchizedek priesthood, while the priests of Israel were initiated into the ordinances of the Aaronic priesthood?    That sounds right.  When I said that &#8220;the ordinances just aren&#8217;t the same&#8221; I was referring to those practices that dominate a reading of the first books of Moses in the Bible compared with the temple practices of today.  What we read there seems mostly geared towards the priests and their work.  Little is said about the high priest, or what he did in the Tabernacle, or even in Solomon&#8217;s temple.  It is entirely possible that the high priest, prophet, or king was participating in the higher ordinances behind the veiled curtains of the holy of holies, but we just don&#8217;t get a lot of that reading in the Bible.  And perhaps that is because, as David said, the descriptions in the Bible are biased towards the Aaronic priests.  The higher ordinances of the Melchizedek priesthood may have been had in the Tabernacle and in Solomon&#8217;s temple; but if they were, they were kept only for very select individuals.  Israel as a whole was not ready or worthy to receive them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note that in <a style="padding:1px;color:#901808;text-decoration:;" href="#" onclick="linkClick('dslink_1686500070');return false;" onmouseover="linkMouseOver('dslink_1686500070');" onmouseout="linkMouseOut('dslink_1686500070');">&#68;&&#67; 124</a> it also mentions baptisms for the dead, yet we know that this ordinance was not performed at the time of Moses or any other OT prophet because Christ had not yet thrown open the gates of spirit prison during his visit to that world during the three days of his entombment.  On this point Dr. Skinner agrees: &#8220;This aspect [redemption of the dead] of the Father&#8217;s plan was not an afterthought, <b>though it did not become operational until after Jesus&#8217; mortal death on the cross</b> and his redemptive sojourn in the world of spirits (see <a style="padding:1px;color:#901808;text-decoration:;" href="#" onclick="linkClick('dslink_1948815248');return false;" onmouseover="linkMouseOver('dslink_1948815248');" onmouseout="linkMouseOut('dslink_1948815248');">&#68;&&#67; 138</a>)&#8221; (Temple Worship, 25).  Elder McConkie concurs: &#8220;Baptisms for the dead were not performed in pre-meridian dispensations&#8221; (Mormon Doctrine, 72).  So just because certain ordinances are mentioned in <a style="padding:1px;color:#901808;text-decoration:;" href="#" onclick="linkClick('dslink_1686500070');return false;" onmouseover="linkMouseOver('dslink_1686500070');" onmouseout="linkMouseOut('dslink_1686500070');">&#68;&&#67; 124</a> does not mean that those OT prophets or people necessarily practiced them.  Skinner adds that &#8220;most of the ordinances administered on a daily basis in the authorized temples were Aaronic Priesthood in nature and were performed by Aaronic priests, as described in the Old Testament&#8221; (Temple Worship, 125).</p>
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		<title>By: Sporgsmal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sporgsmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be intersted in what will be said on this very subject at the 2008 FAIR conference and also at the 2008 Students of the Ancient Near East symposium on Temple Ritual in Antiquity (BYU, Nov. 7). The king of Israel was a priest after the order of Melchizedek (Ps. 110). He was initiated in the temple area. The priests of Israel were after the order of Aaron. They were intiated in the temple area. You said, &quot;The ordinances just aren’t the same&quot; between the Latter-day Saint temples and the Old Testament temples but the Lord said just the opposite in D&amp;C 124 -- notice His reference to the restoration of the rites of the Tabernacle of Moses (where priests were initiated) and the temple of Solomon (where kings were initiated).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be intersted in what will be said on this very subject at the 2008 FAIR conference and also at the 2008 Students of the Ancient Near East symposium on Temple Ritual in Antiquity (BYU, Nov. 7). The king of Israel was a priest after the order of Melchizedek (<a style="padding:1px;color:#901808;text-decoration:;" href="#" onclick="linkClick('dslink_685887300');return false;" onmouseover="linkMouseOver('dslink_685887300');" onmouseout="linkMouseOut('dslink_685887300');">&#80;&#115;. 110</a>). He was initiated in the temple area. The priests of Israel were after the order of Aaron. They were intiated in the temple area. You said, &#8220;The ordinances just aren't the same&#8221; between the Latter-day Saint temples and the Old Testament temples but the Lord said just the opposite in <a style="padding:1px;color:#901808;text-decoration:;" href="#" onclick="linkClick('dslink_1686500070');return false;" onmouseover="linkMouseOver('dslink_1686500070');" onmouseout="linkMouseOut('dslink_1686500070');">&#68;&&#67; 124</a> &#8212; notice His reference to the restoration of the rites of the Tabernacle of Moses (where priests were initiated) and the temple of Solomon (where kings were initiated).</p>
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