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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce, I can not thank you enough for having posted this. I am glad I finally decided to look at it.

I feel as though that folk-lore &quot;veil&quot; if you will has been lifted from my mind.

This site is just the best. Keep it coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce, I can not thank you enough for having posted this. I am glad I finally decided to look at it.</p>
<p>I feel as though that folk-lore &#8220;veil&#8221; if you will has been lifted from my mind.</p>
<p>This site is just the best. Keep it coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Living the Law of Consecration &#8211; Part 2: All Things are the Lord&#8217;s &#187; Temple Study &#8211; LDS Temples, Mormon Temples, Study Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Living the Law of Consecration &#8211; Part 2: All Things are the Lord&#8217;s &#187; Temple Study &#8211; LDS Temples, Mormon Temples, Study Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the capped portion of this quote from C.S. Lewis on my refrigerator that I think concisely defines consecration:

 I do not believe one can settle how much we ought to give.  I am afraid the only safe rule is to give more than we can spare.  In other words, if our expenditures on comforts, luxuries, amusements, etc., is up to the standard common among those with the same income as our own,  we are probably giving away too little.  IF OUR CHARITIES DO NOT AT ALL PINCH OR HAMPER US,  I SHOULD SAY THEY ARE TOO SMALL. There ought to be things we should like to do and cannot do because our charities expenditure excludes them.  I am speaking now of &#039;charities&#039; in the common way.  Particular cases of distress among your own relatives, friends, neighbors or employees, which God, as it were, forces upon your notice, may demand much more: even to the crippling and endangering of your own position.  For many of us the great obstacle to charity lies not in our luxurious living or desire for more money,  but in our fear-- fear of insecurity.  This must often be recognized as a temptation.  Sometimes our pride also hinders our charity;  we are tempted to spend more than we ought on the showy forms of generosity (tipping, hospitality)  and less than we ought on those who really need our help. 

C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

Alas, many Latter-day Saints have yet to grasp this refining principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the capped portion of this quote from C.S. Lewis on my refrigerator that I think concisely defines consecration:</p>
<p> I do not believe one can settle how much we ought to give.  I am afraid the only safe rule is to give more than we can spare.  In other words, if our expenditures on comforts, luxuries, amusements, etc., is up to the standard common among those with the same income as our own,  we are probably giving away too little.  IF OUR CHARITIES DO NOT AT ALL PINCH OR HAMPER US,  I SHOULD SAY THEY ARE TOO SMALL. There ought to be things we should like to do and cannot do because our charities expenditure excludes them.  I am speaking now of &#8216;charities&#8217; in the common way.  Particular cases of distress among your own relatives, friends, neighbors or employees, which God, as it were, forces upon your notice, may demand much more: even to the crippling and endangering of your own position.  For many of us the great obstacle to charity lies not in our luxurious living or desire for more money,  but in our fear&#8211; fear of insecurity.  This must often be recognized as a temptation.  Sometimes our pride also hinders our charity;  we are tempted to spend more than we ought on the showy forms of generosity (tipping, hospitality)  and less than we ought on those who really need our help. </p>
<p>C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity</p>
<p>Alas, many Latter-day Saints have yet to grasp this refining principle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 17:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post. On the &quot;accept&quot; wording issue--Think through the complete wording. How is it that we &quot;accept&quot; it? i.e. &quot;...in that...&quot; Is it future or present tense? Not following the law on these grounds would seem a bit like the scribes and pharisees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post. On the &#8220;accept&#8221; wording issue&#8211;Think through the complete wording. How is it that we &#8220;accept&#8221; it? i.e. &#8220;&#8230;in that&#8230;&#8221; Is it future or present tense? Not following the law on these grounds would seem a bit like the scribes and pharisees.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Haymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce Haymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Inthedoghouse for your kind comments.  I appreciate them very much.  I agree that too many of us have many misconceptions with regard to the law of consecration.  Hopefully proper teaching will alleviate that.  We&#039;re all waiting for the law to be reinstituted, when it was never taken away.

I still need to add more posts to this series.  There are so many more thoughts I have on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Inthedoghouse for your kind comments.  I appreciate them very much.  I agree that too many of us have many misconceptions with regard to the law of consecration.  Hopefully proper teaching will alleviate that.  We&#8217;re all waiting for the law to be reinstituted, when it was never taken away.</p>
<p>I still need to add more posts to this series.  There are so many more thoughts I have on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Inthedoghouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inthedoghouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just stumbled across this post while doing some research and was delighted I did.  You have done an excellent job of teaching the Law of Consecration.  I believe that the three statements you made at the beginning, which have been traditionally stuck in our minds will only be done away with because of proper teaching.  Bravo to you for doing such a great job with this one.

I actually did an experiment with my seminary students a few years ago and asked them to go home and ask their parents what they knew about the Law of Consecration... they returned with all the traditional statements.  By the end of our Doctrine and Covenant year they were taught very differently.. :)  I now teach Institute for Young Single Adults, and because they are of Temple going age we concentrate on this Law almost every week in some way or another.  They actually get it!

Correct teaching is the only way we will rid the Church of traditional beliefs that are incorrect.  I hope you don&#039;t mind but I am going to send the few readers I have your way, to read this post and the next.  Brilliant job!  Keep teaching truth despite those who would disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just stumbled across this post while doing some research and was delighted I did.  You have done an excellent job of teaching the Law of Consecration.  I believe that the three statements you made at the beginning, which have been traditionally stuck in our minds will only be done away with because of proper teaching.  Bravo to you for doing such a great job with this one.</p>
<p>I actually did an experiment with my seminary students a few years ago and asked them to go home and ask their parents what they knew about the Law of Consecration&#8230; they returned with all the traditional statements.  By the end of our Doctrine and Covenant year they were taught very differently.. <img src='http://www.templestudy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I now teach Institute for Young Single Adults, and because they are of Temple going age we concentrate on this Law almost every week in some way or another.  They actually get it!</p>
<p>Correct teaching is the only way we will rid the Church of traditional beliefs that are incorrect.  I hope you don&#8217;t mind but I am going to send the few readers I have your way, to read this post and the next.  Brilliant job!  Keep teaching truth despite those who would disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Sacred Symbolic » Blog Archive &#187; The Most Important Chapters in Scripture? (Part 2)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sacred Symbolic » Blog Archive &#187; The Most Important Chapters in Scripture? (Part 2)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the Law of Consecration and how we can begin to offer this sacrifice of ourselves, see this excellent series of articles over at TempleStudy.com about the Law of Consecration vs the United [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about the Law of Consecration and how we can begin to offer this sacrifice of ourselves, see this excellent series of articles over at TempleStudy.com about the Law of Consecration vs the United [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RoAnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also look forward to further posts on this subject. While reading this post and the comments, a couple of thoughts occurred to me:

Many years ago, while living on the East Coast of the U.S., a family moved into our ward from another state. Because of my calling as R.S. president, I became aware when they needed food and financial help from the Church. This large family said that they had participated in what they termed a form of the law of consecration with some other members in California, and essentially ended up with nothing.  That, to me, was an example of how dangerous it can be to go beyond what our leaders ask us to do. They had very good intentions, but poor judgment.

On the positive side, I know of families who have told their priesthood leaders (general, stake or ward level) that whenever they have a special need, they have only to ask and name the amount. They have essentially said, as David Littlefield put it in his comment, &quot;Whatever I have is available for the kingdom.&quot;  Absent specific requests, these families regularly give generously to the various Church funds and other worthy causes, help out needy friends and relatives, and then use what might be termed &quot;surplus&quot; (but could also be seen as a stewardship) to invest in a way that creates more jobs and earns money which will be available to be used to help the poor and build the Kingdom in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also look forward to further posts on this subject. While reading this post and the comments, a couple of thoughts occurred to me:</p>
<p>Many years ago, while living on the East Coast of the U.S., a family moved into our ward from another state. Because of my calling as R.S. president, I became aware when they needed food and financial help from the Church. This large family said that they had participated in what they termed a form of the law of consecration with some other members in California, and essentially ended up with nothing.  That, to me, was an example of how dangerous it can be to go beyond what our leaders ask us to do. They had very good intentions, but poor judgment.</p>
<p>On the positive side, I know of families who have told their priesthood leaders (general, stake or ward level) that whenever they have a special need, they have only to ask and name the amount. They have essentially said, as David Littlefield put it in his comment, &#8220;Whatever I have is available for the kingdom.&#8221;  Absent specific requests, these families regularly give generously to the various Church funds and other worthy causes, help out needy friends and relatives, and then use what might be termed &#8220;surplus&#8221; (but could also be seen as a stewardship) to invest in a way that creates more jobs and earns money which will be available to be used to help the poor and build the Kingdom in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Haymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce Haymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Greg for your comments.  I hope to get to the next post on the law of consecration soon.  Family circumstances have prevented me from getting to it.  But hopefully we&#039;ll have the next one up sometime this week.

It is true that socialism/communism is the exact opposite of the law of consecration and a Zion society.  Hopefully our posts will help our brothers and sisters more fully understand the Lord&#039;s way and more easily detect the adversary&#039;s counterfeit.

Very interesting post on Keynesian Economics.  Looks like history is repeating itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Greg for your comments.  I hope to get to the next post on the law of consecration soon.  Family circumstances have prevented me from getting to it.  But hopefully we&#8217;ll have the next one up sometime this week.</p>
<p>It is true that socialism/communism is the exact opposite of the law of consecration and a Zion society.  Hopefully our posts will help our brothers and sisters more fully understand the Lord&#8217;s way and more easily detect the adversary&#8217;s counterfeit.</p>
<p>Very interesting post on Keynesian Economics.  Looks like history is repeating itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look forward to seeing Bryce&#039;s future posts on this important subject. Today, I just checked back to see if there were more posts and seeing none, I decided to review the comments.

I agree with Bryce&#039;s comments. There is much to this topic. I remember while working at FARMS I came across Nibley&#039;s article on the law of consecration. I had recently returned from a mission and when I read that paper, it greatly influenced me. I was not very aware of what other Church members thought about the law of consecration, however, as I gained experience in the Church I perhaps had similar experiences as David L. mentions above (i.e. &quot;lost several friends&quot;).

A few comments to this post caught my eye - especially the ones that reference &quot;savings&quot; and &quot;socialism/communism&quot;. Last week I blogged about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.believeallthings.com/1462/keynesian-economics-savings&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Keynesian Economics and Savings&lt;/a&gt;. At the time, I was unaware of the comments here. However, I think this topic directly applies to the law of consecration and the united order. As Bryce mentions above, socialism/communism and the gospel/law of consecration are direct opposites.

A few years ago I began to study &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.believeallthings.com/tag/socialism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;socialism&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.believeallthings.com/tag/communism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;communism&lt;/a&gt; in more depth. After studying these things, I then turned my attention to the words of the prophets and apostles. I was astounded to see the subtle counterfeit that had been created to bring about the destruction of our society.

On another note, sometimes I wonder if the law of consecration is connected to the last law revealed to Moses in Horeb and which he never revealed to the children of Israel (Joseph Smith). We know - at least in general - the children of Israel were kept from entering into the Lord&#039;s presence and into the holy order (JST Genesis 34:1-2; &lt;a href=&quot;http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/84/24#24&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;D&amp;C 84:24&lt;/a&gt;), although there were notable exceptions, Isaiah and other Old Testament prophets in addition to Lehi and Nephi come readily to mind. So we know, even under that system of priesthood, that there were those who entered into the presence of the Lord.

Just a thought or two. I really do look forward to reviewing your posts on this topic in the future Bryce. And I hope that some of the posts on my own blog will augment this topic. In fact, that is really one of the reasons I blog about these counterfeits on my own blog - many have been deceived into thinking that statism and the welfare state are the ideal type of society to which we should aspire... The Book of Mormon really was written for our day. It describes exactly what has been happening in our society and world even though it was compiled 1,600 years ago!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to seeing Bryce&#8217;s future posts on this important subject. Today, I just checked back to see if there were more posts and seeing none, I decided to review the comments.</p>
<p>I agree with Bryce&#8217;s comments. There is much to this topic. I remember while working at FARMS I came across Nibley&#8217;s article on the law of consecration. I had recently returned from a mission and when I read that paper, it greatly influenced me. I was not very aware of what other Church members thought about the law of consecration, however, as I gained experience in the Church I perhaps had similar experiences as David L. mentions above (i.e. &#8220;lost several friends&#8221;).</p>
<p>A few comments to this post caught my eye &#8211; especially the ones that reference &#8220;savings&#8221; and &#8220;socialism/communism&#8221;. Last week I blogged about <a href="http://www.believeallthings.com/1462/keynesian-economics-savings" rel="nofollow">Keynesian Economics and Savings</a>. At the time, I was unaware of the comments here. However, I think this topic directly applies to the law of consecration and the united order. As Bryce mentions above, socialism/communism and the gospel/law of consecration are direct opposites.</p>
<p>A few years ago I began to study <a href="http://www.believeallthings.com/tag/socialism/" rel="nofollow">socialism</a> and <a href="http://www.believeallthings.com/tag/communism/" rel="nofollow">communism</a> in more depth. After studying these things, I then turned my attention to the words of the prophets and apostles. I was astounded to see the subtle counterfeit that had been created to bring about the destruction of our society.</p>
<p>On another note, sometimes I wonder if the law of consecration is connected to the last law revealed to Moses in Horeb and which he never revealed to the children of Israel (Joseph Smith). We know &#8211; at least in general &#8211; the children of Israel were kept from entering into the Lord&#8217;s presence and into the holy order (JST <a style="padding:1px;color:#901808;text-decoration:;" href="#" onclick="linkClick('dslink_2103273196');return false;" onmouseover="linkMouseOver('dslink_2103273196');" onmouseout="linkMouseOut('dslink_2103273196');">&#71;&#101;&#110;&#101;&#115;&#105;&#115; 34:1-2</a>; <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/84/24#24" rel="nofollow">&#68;&&#97;&#109;&#112;;&#67; 84:24</a>), although there were notable exceptions, Isaiah and other Old Testament prophets in addition to Lehi and Nephi come readily to mind. So we know, even under that system of priesthood, that there were those who entered into the presence of the Lord.</p>
<p>Just a thought or two. I really do look forward to reviewing your posts on this topic in the future Bryce. And I hope that some of the posts on my own blog will augment this topic. In fact, that is really one of the reasons I blog about these counterfeits on my own blog &#8211; many have been deceived into thinking that statism and the welfare state are the ideal type of society to which we should aspire&#8230; The Book of Mormon really was written for our day. It describes exactly what has been happening in our society and world even though it was compiled 1,600 years ago!</p>
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