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	<title>Comments on: Elder Holland Testifies Boldly of the Truth of The Book of Mormon!</title>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree whole-heartedly with the comments made above.  I was very struck by the words of Elder Holland.  I had to watch it again, the spirit and power that he preached with are undeniable.  I think this talk will be one that we refer to for generations...AMEN Elder Holland, and thank you for your bold, firm and powerful testimony of the Book of Mormon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree whole-heartedly with the comments made above.  I was very struck by the words of Elder Holland.  I had to watch it again, the spirit and power that he preached with are undeniable.  I think this talk will be one that we refer to for generations&#8230;AMEN Elder Holland, and thank you for your bold, firm and powerful testimony of the Book of Mormon.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. This talk was a bookend to the talk he gave last Fall about why God still speaks to man. Both had the same urgent tone, utterly defiant to any critics who scoff at the notion of a closed canon. It seems Holland is making a statement to those who ridicule what in reality is quite glorious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. This talk was a bookend to the talk he gave last Fall about why God still speaks to man. Both had the same urgent tone, utterly defiant to any critics who scoff at the notion of a closed canon. It seems Holland is making a statement to those who ridicule what in reality is quite glorious.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmalee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmalee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have met with Elder Holland in the past and since then am always so excited to hear him speak to us. I loved his address to us and have since used it as an example to bear my own testimony of The Book of Mormon. Elder Holland has become someone I respect and just know will have a message that the world let alone the members of the church need to hear, (or at very least I need to hear). I hope we can all follow the example of Elder Holland and Boldly declare what it is we believe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have met with Elder Holland in the past and since then am always so excited to hear him speak to us. I loved his address to us and have since used it as an example to bear my own testimony of The Book of Mormon. Elder Holland has become someone I respect and just know will have a message that the world let alone the members of the church need to hear, (or at very least I need to hear). I hope we can all follow the example of Elder Holland and Boldly declare what it is we believe!</p>
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		<title>By: dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I heartily concur. That was a strong, no-holds barred, testimony. There is no time to be lukewarm. We must be as the Lord would have us be, or He will spew us out of His mouth. Grateful to be on the path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I heartily concur. That was a strong, no-holds barred, testimony. There is no time to be lukewarm. We must be as the Lord would have us be, or He will spew us out of His mouth. Grateful to be on the path.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was an honor to say &quot;AMEN&quot; at the conclusion of such a powerful testimony.  Because of some of  the global commentary that has followed I am reminded of a quote attributed to President Harold B. Lee:  &quot;Man always puts a question mark where God intended a period.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was an honor to say &#8220;AMEN&#8221; at the conclusion of such a powerful testimony.  Because of some of  the global commentary that has followed I am reminded of a quote attributed to President Harold B. Lee:  &#8220;Man always puts a question mark where God intended a period.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Haymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce Haymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts, Bookslinger.

I too believe that some members, particularly those in the &quot;Bloggernacle,&quot; seem to want to water down Mormonism.  Just yesterday I told a friend:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I often hear &quot;if only we didn&#039;t have to believe the Book of Mormon is literally true, if only the temple didn&#039;t have all these weird &#039;Masonic&#039; ceremonies, if only the prophet wasn&#039;t the very mouthpiece of God on the earth, if only we didn&#039;t have to live these strict commandments all the time, if only the Church authorities would just allow lesbian and gay couples to marry, if only the Church wasn&#039;t so patriarchal, if only the Church authorities would change this that or the other, etc., etc., etc., &lt;b&gt;THEN&lt;/b&gt; I might be able to fully believe and be a good member of the Church.&quot;

What would we be left with if these members got their wish? &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Absolutely nothing&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;. It is an excuse for failing to seek faith.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts, Bookslinger.</p>
<p>I too believe that some members, particularly those in the &#8220;Bloggernacle,&#8221; seem to want to water down Mormonism.  Just yesterday I told a friend:</p>
<blockquote><p>I often hear &#8220;if only we didn&#8217;t have to believe the Book of Mormon is literally true, if only the temple didn&#8217;t have all these weird &#8216;Masonic&#8217; ceremonies, if only the prophet wasn&#8217;t the very mouthpiece of God on the earth, if only we didn&#8217;t have to live these strict commandments all the time, if only the Church authorities would just allow lesbian and gay couples to marry, if only the Church wasn&#8217;t so patriarchal, if only the Church authorities would change this that or the other, etc., etc., etc., <b>THEN</b> I might be able to fully believe and be a good member of the Church.&#8221;</p>
<p>What would we be left with if these members got their wish? <em><strong>Absolutely nothing</strong></em>. It is an excuse for failing to seek faith.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rp:   Joseph Smith, as a human, could have been fallible, mistaken, or operating under limited understanding.  But he was still a prophet as much as Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, etc.  The men who recorded, transmitted, and translated  the words of Jesus&#039; mortal ministry were also subject to human limitations. But they were also prophets and apostles.

The &quot;Lord, Liar, or Lunatic&quot; (which comes from CS Lewis, no?)  seems to me to be an exhaustive logical description of the figure known in the Bible as Jesus of Nazareth.

Joseph Smith may not have understood all the ways in which the Lord was using him.  But we (his contemporaries and us) have even less understanding of how the Lord used Joseph.  

To state that the Book of Mormon might be a &quot;pious fraud&quot; would require that either Joseph Smith lied about the book&#039;s provenance, or else that God sent an angel who lied to Joseph.

There may be room to &quot;nuance&quot; some of Joseph Smith&#039;s (and Brigham Young&#039;s, and etc.) teachings, because the church has received further light and knowledge since then.  The Journal of Discourses contains plenty of stuff that is &quot;not official&quot; or &quot;no longer operative&quot; or &quot;operative but not promulgated&quot; or &quot;operative but not binding&quot; or &quot;ummmm, that person was just plain mistaken.&quot;

But other than the shortcomings that are inherent in human communication (ie, the transcription, transmittal and translation of His sayings), there&#039;s extremely little, if any, room to &quot;nuance&quot; Jesus of Nazareth who died on the cross.  CS Lewis was right, the Jesus of the New Testament was either the Son of God, a liar, or extremely delusional., or a combination of  liarn/delusional. And if He wasn&#039;t the Son of God, then His contemporaneous followers who claimed intimate knowledge of His divinity were also liars and/or delusional.

The scriptures are replete with things like &quot;the wisdom of the wise shall perish&quot;  &quot;truth hidden from the prudent&quot;, &quot;truth revealed to the simple&quot;, etc.

People who consider themselves smart and intellectual can over-analyze things to the degree that they miss the point.  I think that&#039;s one way how &quot;smart people&quot; have watered down the pure truths of the Bible, and come up with the wishy-washy pablum that makes up most of modern mainstream Protestantism.

Please, please, please don&#039;t try watering down the simple truths of the restored gospel.  Please, please, please  don&#039;t try to &quot;protestantize&quot; Mormonism.  There is no &quot;new way&quot; or &quot;middle way&quot; to what Joseph Smith brought forth under the guidance of God.

I saw within Elder Holland&#039;s talk somewhat of a &quot;smackdown&quot; on the &quot;middle way Mormonism&quot; that seems to be fashionable among the self-proclaimed intellectuals in the bloggernacle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rp:   Joseph Smith, as a human, could have been fallible, mistaken, or operating under limited understanding.  But he was still a prophet as much as Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, etc.  The men who recorded, transmitted, and translated  the words of Jesus&#8217; mortal ministry were also subject to human limitations. But they were also prophets and apostles.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Lord, Liar, or Lunatic&#8221; (which comes from CS Lewis, no?)  seems to me to be an exhaustive logical description of the figure known in the Bible as Jesus of Nazareth.</p>
<p>Joseph Smith may not have understood all the ways in which the Lord was using him.  But we (his contemporaries and us) have even less understanding of how the Lord used Joseph.  </p>
<p>To state that the Book of Mormon might be a &#8220;pious fraud&#8221; would require that either Joseph Smith lied about the book&#8217;s provenance, or else that God sent an angel who lied to Joseph.</p>
<p>There may be room to &#8220;nuance&#8221; some of Joseph Smith&#8217;s (and Brigham Young&#8217;s, and etc.) teachings, because the church has received further light and knowledge since then.  The Journal of Discourses contains plenty of stuff that is &#8220;not official&#8221; or &#8220;no longer operative&#8221; or &#8220;operative but not promulgated&#8221; or &#8220;operative but not binding&#8221; or &#8220;ummmm, that person was just plain mistaken.&#8221;</p>
<p>But other than the shortcomings that are inherent in human communication (ie, the transcription, transmittal and translation of His sayings), there&#8217;s extremely little, if any, room to &#8220;nuance&#8221; Jesus of Nazareth who died on the cross.  CS Lewis was right, the Jesus of the New Testament was either the Son of God, a liar, or extremely delusional., or a combination of  liarn/delusional. And if He wasn&#8217;t the Son of God, then His contemporaneous followers who claimed intimate knowledge of His divinity were also liars and/or delusional.</p>
<p>The scriptures are replete with things like &#8220;the wisdom of the wise shall perish&#8221;  &#8220;truth hidden from the prudent&#8221;, &#8220;truth revealed to the simple&#8221;, etc.</p>
<p>People who consider themselves smart and intellectual can over-analyze things to the degree that they miss the point.  I think that&#8217;s one way how &#8220;smart people&#8221; have watered down the pure truths of the Bible, and come up with the wishy-washy pablum that makes up most of modern mainstream Protestantism.</p>
<p>Please, please, please don&#8217;t try watering down the simple truths of the restored gospel.  Please, please, please  don&#8217;t try to &#8220;protestantize&#8221; Mormonism.  There is no &#8220;new way&#8221; or &#8220;middle way&#8221; to what Joseph Smith brought forth under the guidance of God.</p>
<p>I saw within Elder Holland&#8217;s talk somewhat of a &#8220;smackdown&#8221; on the &#8220;middle way Mormonism&#8221; that seems to be fashionable among the self-proclaimed intellectuals in the bloggernacle.</p>
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		<title>By: rp</title>
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		<dc:creator>rp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved Elder Holland&#039;s talk, and C.S. Lewis just may be my all-time favorite writer, but I think the all-or-nothing &quot;Lord, Liar, or Lunatic&quot; idea is a logical fallacy of false dilemma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved Elder Holland&#8217;s talk, and C.S. Lewis just may be my all-time favorite writer, but I think the all-or-nothing &#8220;Lord, Liar, or Lunatic&#8221; idea is a logical fallacy of false dilemma.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my memory, the last apostle who was so passionate was Elder LeGrande Richards.

My thought while hearing Elder Holland&#039;s talk was &quot;Preach it, Brother!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my memory, the last apostle who was so passionate was Elder LeGrande Richards.</p>
<p>My thought while hearing Elder Holland&#8217;s talk was &#8220;Preach it, Brother!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t heard such a powerful testimony from one of the Apostles in a long time.  This was amazing!  This really helped to re-anchor me in a sense and I am sure it will do that for many others!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t heard such a powerful testimony from one of the Apostles in a long time.  This was amazing!  This really helped to re-anchor me in a sense and I am sure it will do that for many others!</p>
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