0:00:06.200,0:00:08.269 all right 0:00:08.269,0:00:11.480 we welcome you again to one other uh... 0:00:11.480,0:00:15.139 at this hour right as you can call a and the uh... 0:00:15.139,0:00:21.420 the fireside discussions on the temple here are a host for the temple street 0:00:21.420,0:00:24.679 glad to have you here with us out today 0:00:24.679,0:00:28.449 i think uh... the last time we we have one of these uh... i forgot to introduce 0:00:28.449,0:00:30.259 myself 0:00:30.259,0:00:34.910 so i won't make that mistake again uh... mines bryce came in 0:00:34.910,0:00:38.600 i'm the founding editor of the temple study dot com 0:00:38.600,0:00:40.559 and uh... helping to uh... 0:00:40.559,0:00:42.550 organize these events 0:00:42.550,0:00:45.840 and uh... i'm glad to do it and i think they've been uh... 0:00:45.840,0:00:50.140 may be great so far and i look forward to our discussion this evening 0:00:50.140,0:00:54.740 on chapter one of the anger skinner's book temple worship 0:00:54.740,0:00:56.930 tonight we have 0:00:56.930,0:01:00.610 we have uh... with three other participants uh... joining us 0:01:00.610,0:01:01.850 and uh... well 0:01:01.850,0:01:05.350 will quickly let them know introduce themselves uh... starting with uh... 0:01:05.350,0:01:06.860 gerry 0:01:06.860,0:01:10.710 during immersion in the journey ended in logan utah 0:01:10.710,0:01:13.080 that they have a very effective 0:01:13.080,0:01:14.530 uh... gerald 0:01:14.530,0:01:16.180 then gilts math 0:01:16.180,0:01:17.470 and 0:01:17.470,0:01:21.550 i live in indianapolis in indiana 0:01:21.550,0:01:23.520 good to have your thank you 0:01:23.520,0:01:26.120 and uh... last but not least 0:01:26.120,0:01:29.920 board of uh... waiting hamlin with us 0:01:29.920,0:01:34.470 on november nine within forty two-b_-one 0:01:34.470,0:01:35.810 great to have you 0:01:35.810,0:01:36.990 but 0:01:36.990,0:01:41.509 we just passed ielts 0:01:41.509,0:01:45.510 included areas 0:01:45.510,0:01:49.430 to nearest fedex 0:01:49.430,0:01:50.840 side 0:01:50.840,0:01:55.050 hekmatyar's day environment remained 0:01:55.050,0:01:57.820 retirement and a car 0:01:57.820,0:02:04.820 at bed bath gus was a dreaded whoever it is a definite after 0:02:05.050,0:02:08.250 okay 0:02:08.250,0:02:11.669 or flat-panel making our star 0:02:11.669,0:02:12.900 that's alright 0:02:12.900,0:02:15.950 it's good to have you 0:02:15.950,0:02:20.760 alright well um... thanks sixty eight 0:02:20.760,0:02:25.319 we're gonna have discussion this evening at kennedy led by and 0:02:25.319,0:02:26.489 willing jalan 0:02:26.489,0:02:29.349 he's gonna lead us in the sky shin so well will 0:02:29.349,0:02:32.239 will just turn it over to him 0:02:32.239,0:02:33.909 well where else 0:02:33.909,0:02:37.869 doing these computer side chats uh... discussing 0:02:37.869,0:02:41.209 uh... the templeton eugene and the skin 0:02:41.209,0:02:43.439 uh... pool or worship 0:02:43.439,0:02:46.749 as they biggest bring forward 0:02:46.749,0:02:47.980 for 0:02:47.980,0:02:49.190 discussion 0:02:49.190,0:02:52.420 and today we're discussing chapter one and would like to ask gary too 0:02:52.420,0:02:54.400 and summarize that chapter 0:02:54.400,0:02:55.549 so that 0:02:55.549,0:02:57.650 listeners can can you get a sense of 0:02:57.650,0:03:02.930 of what chapters about then we can go into details questions and uh... people 0:03:02.930,0:03:06.079 discussing the issues that reasons you gerry 0:03:06.079,0:03:08.709 if you disagree summary of the chapter 0:03:08.709,0:03:12.299 yes and this was an interesting chapter for me because 0:03:12.299,0:03:14.930 it talks about how important 0:03:14.930,0:03:19.299 uh... the temple it should be to larry saints 0:03:19.299,0:03:22.839 and it uses as a starting point the 0:03:22.839,0:03:24.979 experience a novel 0:03:24.979,0:03:29.049 uh... most people i think i understand that uh... temple was started but not 0:03:29.049,0:03:32.079 finished before joblessness 0:03:32.079,0:03:33.639 but it was martyred 0:03:33.639,0:03:37.779 and it wasn't finished until the latter part of the crew 0:03:37.779,0:03:41.189 uh... eighth and eighteen forty five 0:03:41.189,0:03:45.919 uh... and by that time the huge pressure was being brought to bear on 0:03:45.919,0:03:47.780 warned all of the obvious 0:03:47.780,0:03:49.819 and residents of malibu 0:03:49.819,0:03:51.480 they have been uh... 0:03:51.480,0:03:54.389 basically told to get out of town or 0:03:54.389,0:03:58.619 they would be moved out of town it by force 0:03:58.619,0:04:01.699 and so they are under tremendous pressure to do leave like most people 0:04:01.699,0:04:05.109 read the story about going across the mississippi river 0:04:05.109,0:04:07.279 on the ice and uh... 0:04:07.279,0:04:08.739 uh... enso 0:04:08.739,0:04:10.939 what which ever talks about 0:04:10.939,0:04:14.219 is what the temple may have to those people 0:04:14.219,0:04:17.340 because the uh... eventually what happened even though the temple 0:04:17.340,0:04:20.530 ordinances had been given to us like group prior to that 0:04:20.530,0:04:24.960 it wasn't until then i'll be temple was s it wasn't totally finished but 0:04:24.960,0:04:26.650 finished enough in the attic 0:04:26.650,0:04:29.360 so that the organises could be uh... 0:04:29.360,0:04:30.499 uh... given 0:04:30.499,0:04:32.430 to the members generally 0:04:32.430,0:04:36.110 uh... that starts and i think december of nineteen forty five continues through 0:04:36.110,0:04:37.479 january 0:04:37.479,0:04:40.169 and it was 0:04:40.169,0:04:44.090 yes very difficult to do that many all at once 0:04:44.090,0:04:47.189 describes brigham young as staying there 0:04:47.189,0:04:51.259 all they are all night to help people get through the ordinances 0:04:51.259,0:04:55.070 and uh... finally they've got up to two hundred a day in and 0:04:55.070,0:04:56.979 at three hundred a day 0:04:56.979,0:05:02.619 and it was men people were still pleading to heather endowments before 0:05:02.619,0:05:04.550 they had to leave 0:05:04.550,0:05:07.360 saw it was a uh... 0:05:07.360,0:05:12.139 letter it was under great grass but it did just as was indicated that does that 0:05:12.139,0:05:13.189 sound 0:05:13.189,0:05:17.419 terribly important it was for these people and we're now grateful they were 0:05:17.419,0:05:22.069 on a few years ago i was visiting in abu and uh... 0:05:22.069,0:05:26.460 what happened was that i had tracked down my relatives who live in abu 0:05:26.460,0:05:27.400 and then 0:05:27.400,0:05:31.550 found out that they as i looked at the uh... sort of salaries 0:05:31.550,0:05:36.259 and talk and looked at some of their uh... journals found out that they in 0:05:36.259,0:05:38.340 fact had received there 0:05:38.340,0:05:41.850 if i recall it was either of the latter part of between january first part of 0:05:41.850,0:05:44.100 february eighteen forty six 0:05:44.100,0:05:45.850 that they were going to happen 0:05:45.850,0:05:48.369 endowments down and then 0:05:48.369,0:05:52.889 the next day or so it had to leave to head to the west 0:05:52.889,0:05:57.820 and i remember a very touching experience when i visited there 0:05:57.820,0:06:02.760 having that in my mind going across the mississippi river necessary it's the 0:06:02.760,0:06:04.199 another temple 0:06:04.199,0:06:06.029 wasn't with rebels 0:06:06.029,0:06:08.949 and so there was there something you can see there 0:06:08.949,0:06:11.949 and if you go across to the other side directly across the mississippi river 0:06:11.949,0:06:14.330 and across that wildblue 0:06:14.330,0:06:16.809 you can see the temple on the hill 0:06:16.809,0:06:20.509 and there's a little bit you come up from the uh... mississippi river to 0:06:20.509,0:06:22.050 arise 0:06:22.050,0:06:23.419 and then n 0:06:23.419,0:06:27.319 after you got there on the other side that's the last you can see 0:06:27.319,0:06:29.379 all of the novel temple 0:06:29.379,0:06:32.759 and what you've touched me deeply 0:06:32.759,0:06:38.349 was this experience of my ancestors leaving after having their endowments 0:06:38.349,0:06:42.189 and get into that little rise in describing what it felt like to their 0:06:42.189,0:06:46.220 own as they walked back toward the end of the last time 0:06:46.220,0:06:50.120 at the temple will not do it and they move towards the west 0:06:50.120,0:06:51.920 and it just leave the 0:06:51.920,0:06:57.159 you've been doing it that that gave me was the didn't begin moving 0:06:57.159,0:06:58.429 and i just 0:06:58.429,0:07:03.249 get a feeling as i read this chapter tonight 0:07:03.249,0:07:04.539 that was 0:07:04.539,0:07:06.669 for these people to miami 0:07:06.669,0:07:10.039 spent all that time in an effort to build the temple 0:07:10.039,0:07:13.319 and they hadn't been able to use it to me too much 0:07:13.319,0:07:15.729 but there's a quote in the uh... chapter 0:07:15.729,0:07:19.049 i'd probably know that i think about it i can find it in a hurry but it's been a 0:07:19.049,0:07:21.759 checkered describes an individual 0:07:21.759,0:07:26.009 who said uh... you know it was only two months 0:07:26.009,0:07:28.089 that uh... it was 0:07:28.089,0:07:31.759 okay nancy 0:07:31.759,0:07:36.319 i want try to find a but anyway i said something about uh... 0:07:36.319,0:07:39.939 or even other mothers say it's had their temple for only eight weeks 0:07:39.939,0:07:42.270 can do what you wish to receive their endowments 0:07:42.270,0:07:44.999 they felt it was worth for the effort 0:07:44.999,0:07:48.559 forward sweat toil in tears because it gave them the roles that worship 0:07:48.559,0:07:50.050 experience 0:07:50.050,0:07:54.069 western allies miramar to major in westerners as well 0:07:54.069,0:07:55.279 so anyway 0:07:55.279,0:07:59.089 i thought that would be a good way to start up 0:07:59.089,0:08:01.429 that's great story the uh... 0:08:01.429,0:08:06.779 in some ways the expiry of another example is analogous to that of uh... 0:08:06.779,0:08:10.159 the judicial interval in that pic was destroyed 0:08:10.159,0:08:15.029 uh... and then left us look for a period in an eventual restored 0:08:15.029,0:08:16.849 and it was so beautiful 0:08:16.849,0:08:19.689 upon concede that with the 0:08:19.689,0:08:22.250 the restoration of the temple in 0:08:22.250,0:08:23.789 on your signal 0:08:23.789,0:08:25.779 ten years ago member 0:08:25.779,0:08:27.639 premier of much help 0:08:27.639,0:08:29.009 two thousand 0:08:29.009,0:08:33.370 with joe 0:08:33.370,0:08:37.400 skinner says on page nine that the temple is the ultimate expression of our 0:08:37.400,0:08:38.410 worship 0:08:38.410,0:08:42.300 and the most profound expressions of our theology 0:08:42.300,0:08:46.900 we had he means by that 0:08:46.900,0:08:51.450 i was amazed as i as i want to distract her how many times 0:08:51.450,0:08:54.890 you use says misses the ultimate then 0:08:54.890,0:08:55.900 this is 0:08:55.900,0:08:58.330 this is the pinnacle this is the top 0:08:58.330,0:08:59.180 uh... 0:08:59.180,0:09:00.010 mrs 0:09:00.010,0:09:02.590 yet you don't get more profound 0:09:02.590,0:09:03.660 then 0:09:03.660,0:09:05.020 than the temple 0:09:05.020,0:09:06.050 in 0:09:06.050,0:09:09.760 in the church it is the the the pinnacle 0:09:09.760,0:09:11.080 of what we do 0:09:11.080,0:09:15.700 the pinnacle of our worship that the pinnacle of where were striving to go 0:09:15.700,0:09:18.580 ever presents where we are all tamale 0:09:18.580,0:09:20.240 striving to go 0:09:20.240,0:09:21.630 um... 0:09:21.630,0:09:26.370 decision change video camera here 0:09:26.370,0:09:30.040 i thought found out was that i was very interesting and and 0:09:30.040,0:09:34.500 and i think what we can see that back throughout history that the temple was 0:09:34.500,0:09:36.040 the center 0:09:36.040,0:09:36.750 of 0:09:36.750,0:09:42.220 the civilizations in which they had temples the temple was often you know 0:09:42.220,0:09:46.180 right in the middle of the very center spot 0:09:46.180,0:09:47.700 in the cities 0:09:47.700,0:09:52.290 uh... and and everything else was kind of built around and 0:09:52.290,0:09:53.780 as a focal point 0:09:53.780,0:09:59.130 everything was focused inward appa temple 0:09:59.130,0:10:01.650 some and some of my thoughts 0:10:01.650,0:10:03.410 would also like to add that 0:10:03.410,0:10:07.060 to temple represents the presence of god 0:10:07.060,0:10:09.140 insults has 0:10:09.140,0:10:14.440 as you're just mentioning brace it employers in the center other people 0:10:14.440,0:10:15.590 you have 0:10:15.590,0:10:17.120 died 0:10:17.120,0:10:19.790 represented by his temple 0:10:19.790,0:10:23.470 right in the center where people can go looking in 0:10:23.470,0:10:30.470 in his presence and so leather it's to modern temple were the ancient temples 0:10:31.650,0:10:33.550 fine that 0:10:33.550,0:10:35.670 people went to the temple 0:10:35.670,0:10:40.970 to experience god 0:10:40.970,0:10:45.300 definitely right that's the essential characteristic get place where you kind 0:10:45.300,0:10:47.140 regards and is 0:10:47.140,0:10:51.200 in the temple but in another sense to the 0:10:51.200,0:10:53.470 anywhere you encountered i've become 0:10:53.470,0:10:58.970 used a surrogate temple in the way it as well in the sense that for example sinai 0:10:58.970,0:11:02.020 takes on temple like uh... characteristics and the memphis 0:11:02.020,0:11:03.720 figuration 0:11:03.720,0:11:08.220 it's in some senses it's not a place as much as it is a 0:11:08.220,0:11:11.080 the state of being in them 0:11:11.080,0:11:13.130 in the sense that were caught 0:11:13.130,0:11:17.980 manifests himself with is a sacred spot and hence a temple although temples as 0:11:17.980,0:11:20.960 we know the news than are of course uh... 0:11:20.960,0:11:23.550 actual functional buildings as well 0:11:23.550,0:11:28.590 anybody else look at something 0:11:28.590,0:11:33.130 history is the chapter on page nine with the quotation from matthew specter 0:11:33.130,0:11:34.950 report sandwiches 0:11:34.950,0:11:39.180 they also worship the lord by god in him only shell fell surf 0:11:39.180,0:11:44.190 and uh... this is in response actually jesus is responding to a statement one 0:11:44.190,0:11:46.040 of the temptations bicycle 0:11:46.040,0:11:50.760 which was uh... the last temptation and it was that 0:11:50.760,0:11:53.870 tells christ he was given the whole world 0:11:53.870,0:11:58.920 if cross if christ will fall down and worship need that is center i think it's 0:11:58.920,0:12:03.280 very interesting first of all to note that that's taken has 0:12:03.280,0:12:07.250 the world to give 0:12:07.250,0:12:09.080 new 0:12:09.080,0:12:14.540 is the line the destructive and lose all users who are 0:12:14.540,0:12:17.970 though the new testament talks about him as as the god of this world of the the 0:12:17.970,0:12:23.350 lords are on the the ruler of this world and so in a sense what he's talking 0:12:23.350,0:12:25.610 about is the satanic 0:12:25.610,0:12:27.160 domain of the 0:12:27.160,0:12:30.450 you know the roman empire wherever it might be has a uh... 0:12:30.450,0:12:32.910 as a faults kingdom 0:12:32.910,0:12:37.570 uh... opposing the kingdom of god which which crisis trying to vent bring but 0:12:37.570,0:12:41.220 what does this phrase fall down worshiped and served one of those ideas 0:12:41.220,0:12:43.800 mean timber ebony 0:12:43.800,0:12:47.270 you know the these are the terms used in this passage 0:12:47.270,0:12:50.170 or they've referred to 0:12:50.170,0:12:52.079 you know i i didn't buy looked up 0:12:52.079,0:12:56.829 uh... a little bit about and when i was wanted a shocker i looked up you know 0:12:56.829,0:12:58.170 what is worship 0:12:58.170,0:12:59.440 i really haven't 0:12:59.440,0:13:02.430 and considered you know what does that mean 0:13:02.430,0:13:04.060 uh... to worship 0:13:04.060,0:13:06.810 and uh... uh... i've found that 0:13:06.810,0:13:12.560 the top of a lot about at basically that it's an act of expressing reverence 0:13:12.560,0:13:17.900 and says so then i went in and uh... alot up a reverence and reverence is 0:13:17.900,0:13:19.339 is on ur 0:13:19.339,0:13:20.940 or respect 0:13:20.940,0:13:25.120 so when you're referencing me you are honoring or respecting them 0:13:25.120,0:13:27.000 something usually of divine 0:13:27.000,0:13:28.540 uh... 0:13:28.540,0:13:30.850 gardner 0:13:30.850,0:13:36.840 uh... and obviously in in our case with with the temple uh... worshipping is is 0:13:36.840,0:13:38.050 an active 0:13:38.050,0:13:40.560 expressing reference on earth spect 0:13:40.560,0:13:41.780 towards 0:13:41.780,0:13:43.590 towards god but 0:13:43.590,0:13:47.810 i thought that was an interesting an interesting thing to learn come 0:13:47.810,0:13:52.130 but that worshipers defined that way 0:13:52.130,0:13:58.590 i think there's an element dan burton also include covenants in ordinances 0:13:58.590,0:14:02.790 your preparatory ordinances that we have to keep that isn't 0:14:02.790,0:14:07.580 mary grants you don't think you can see that hasn't been receiving goes 0:14:07.580,0:14:12.870 but i might not get the process you go through in the temple is a continuation 0:14:12.870,0:14:16.290 want that to you know those ordinances and 0:14:16.290,0:14:20.280 well obviously you re you know it's it's a common knowledge that we do make a 0:14:20.280,0:14:21.970 labour governments 0:14:21.970,0:14:23.220 in the temple but 0:14:23.220,0:14:28.240 clearly those are some of the things that the think should be posted as well 0:14:28.240,0:14:33.770 it's important uh... from my perspective and there are two sets of 0:14:33.770,0:14:38.050 of ordinances we have with oracle the acts of terror ordinances which are 0:14:38.050,0:14:39.160 public 0:14:39.160,0:14:40.149 and done 0:14:40.149,0:14:43.930 you know in view of the church and indian groups and then there are the 0:14:43.930,0:14:45.340 esoteric 0:14:45.340,0:14:48.760 which are secret and private and done only in the temple 0:14:48.760,0:14:53.190 but is a continuum from the exterior exhort eric 0:14:53.190,0:14:56.230 ordinances of baptism in the sacrament and so forth 0:14:56.230,0:14:58.730 ordination the priesthood these are 0:14:58.730,0:15:03.850 a continuum that lead to the esoteric ordinances and i think a parallel 0:15:03.850,0:15:08.700 roughly the exterior ordinances of the ancient temple that could be done in the 0:15:08.700,0:15:12.170 public courtyard up in front of the temple verses the esoteric 0:15:12.170,0:15:15.840 ordinances that could only be done in the building itself 0:15:15.840,0:15:22.840 uh... by the priest in the high priests 0:15:23.890,0:15:26.840 that the very blessing of the baby on through 0:15:26.840,0:15:28.650 you know the final uh... 0:15:28.650,0:15:30.180 marriage for 0:15:30.180,0:15:33.460 second mining or whatever it might be that that might occur 0:15:33.460,0:15:34.830 in the temple 0:15:34.830,0:15:36.720 one other thing uh... i think i 0:15:36.720,0:15:38.380 to note is that 0:15:38.380,0:15:44.700 uh... in in greek in hebrew worship means to prostrate oneself to bow down 0:15:44.700,0:15:48.380 on the ground so uncertain says fall down and we're certainly he need to go 0:15:48.380,0:15:50.140 on your knees bow down 0:15:50.140,0:15:51.950 and this 0:15:51.950,0:15:54.070 ritual worship on 0:15:54.070,0:15:58.070 on these and and prosperous unlike the muslim praise today was an important 0:15:58.070,0:15:59.690 part of the ancient 0:15:59.690,0:16:00.810 uh... 0:16:00.810,0:16:04.000 rituals that were done in the temple when the lord's name was mentioned 0:16:04.000,0:16:06.020 people prostrate themselves 0:16:06.020,0:16:08.850 but also this discharge serve 0:16:08.850,0:16:13.880 in hebrews upward and recusal broken it means too 0:16:13.880,0:16:14.830 literally 0:16:14.830,0:16:17.580 you don't do service for work for someone 0:16:17.580,0:16:21.690 but the term later or giving in greek means 0:16:21.690,0:16:28.510 the the work of surplus in the temple bet is to say it is loop literally 0:16:28.510,0:16:29.819 the uh... 0:16:29.819,0:16:34.069 the work that you do serving dogs in the temple that's what the term needs which 0:16:34.069,0:16:35.710 are beyond that 0:16:35.710,0:16:38.780 turns into liturgy in in uh... english 0:16:38.780,0:16:42.760 so you've got a portent connection there that that these in fact workable ideas 0:16:42.760,0:16:44.980 of what you did in the temple 0:16:44.980,0:16:47.190 frustrate result before lauren 0:16:47.190,0:16:48.750 certain parts of the ritual 0:16:48.750,0:16:51.260 and then you you do all this other uh... 0:16:51.260,0:16:52.639 service workers well 0:16:52.639,0:16:56.170 any other people like to comment on that particular thought 0:16:56.170,0:16:57.670 yes i did 0:16:57.670,0:16:59.820 i like what you said there 0:16:59.820,0:17:01.170 um... 0:17:01.170,0:17:04.730 i kind of also view this we we have 0:17:04.730,0:17:07.410 also seeking battle between seating 0:17:07.410,0:17:08.980 in christ 0:17:08.980,0:17:12.520 that reflects what happened in the pre moral counsel 0:17:12.520,0:17:14.530 so weird 0:17:14.530,0:17:17.339 basically going back to the creation 0:17:17.339,0:17:18.189 and 0:17:18.189,0:17:20.410 just as we see 0:17:20.410,0:17:24.470 very important instances the creation in the temple 0:17:24.470,0:17:28.600 so we can see and that's where each individual has to choose 0:17:28.600,0:17:31.679 when they're going to worship 0:17:31.679,0:17:34.170 and we could almost say that 0:17:34.170,0:17:37.419 satanism trying to invite christ 0:17:37.419,0:17:38.470 nancy 0:17:38.470,0:17:42.870 the sick leave making cabinets with him 0:17:42.870,0:17:46.220 inviting him into his own temple 0:17:46.220,0:17:47.549 that here 0:17:47.549,0:17:48.429 christ 0:17:48.429,0:17:49.590 using scripture 0:17:49.590,0:17:50.990 zero two 0:17:50.990,0:17:55.090 to deny him that and basically say there's a tree warship 0:17:55.090,0:17:58.680 and that is i've got the father 0:17:58.680,0:18:03.980 al n_b_c_ cries can signal in essentially a contest 0:18:03.980,0:18:06.710 what the chain worship me for me 0:18:06.710,0:18:08.659 and uh... the temple 0:18:08.659,0:18:10.220 is essentially a 0:18:10.220,0:18:12.080 it catalyst point 0:18:12.080,0:18:15.740 where you make a choice in the following path if all the other path and you know 0:18:15.740,0:18:16.600 either 0:18:16.600,0:18:19.020 following the the satanic past 0:18:19.020,0:18:20.100 or or of them 0:18:20.100,0:18:23.840 path price that leads to the father and and we see this reflected both in 0:18:23.840,0:18:25.600 scapegoat rituals 0:18:25.600,0:18:29.870 an ancient temples were sickness ritually cast out lima cocco 0:18:29.870,0:18:32.300 as well as uh... 0:18:32.300,0:18:36.470 you know the temptation of christ which was a temptation about 0:18:36.470,0:18:38.610 whom we worship whom we serve 0:18:38.610,0:18:40.010 you know the father or 0:18:40.010,0:18:40.909 horsing 0:18:40.909,0:18:42.700 and so i think it was important to 0:18:42.700,0:18:44.010 to kind of 0:18:44.010,0:18:47.580 get the ancient context overseas ideas emerge 0:18:47.580,0:18:48.900 anybody else 0:18:48.900,0:18:49.980 gradacac 0:18:49.980,0:18:54.460 the couple thoughts on going back to what you're talking about how the 0:18:54.460,0:18:58.059 ordinances artpad arctic are a continuum 0:18:58.059,0:19:01.190 and uh... 0:19:01.190,0:19:05.380 couple a couple things just came to me uh... that i've thought about before is 0:19:05.380,0:19:06.299 that 0:19:06.299,0:19:07.470 as how 0:19:07.470,0:19:11.320 how all of this the ordinances are are 0:19:11.320,0:19:12.430 are 0:19:12.430,0:19:17.380 performance such a way that they're they are themselves a continual moriah or 0:19:17.380,0:19:18.500 uh... 0:19:18.500,0:19:22.350 uh... prepare tori for the ordinances that come after them 0:19:22.350,0:19:27.700 uh... even so much that you see uh... this mirroring affect where you know 0:19:27.700,0:19:28.960 baptism 0:19:28.960,0:19:33.670 and receiving the gift of the holy ghost are very similar or or symbolic of a 0:19:33.670,0:19:35.820 washing an unrelenting 0:19:35.820,0:19:40.799 on that the following her in in the more esoteric ordinances 0:19:40.799,0:19:43.970 as well as the sacrament uh... briefly during 0:19:43.970,0:19:45.960 uh... the the endowment 0:19:45.960,0:19:46.669 um... 0:19:46.669,0:19:50.800 so i was one part the other thought when you're talking about service 0:19:50.800,0:19:52.410 ait iraq dot 0:19:52.410,0:19:56.430 an article unjust recently again there was i think it was in the uh... journal 0:19:56.430,0:19:58.390 of the book of mormon studies 0:19:58.390,0:19:59.380 uh... 0:19:59.380,0:20:00.930 by uh... 0:20:00.930,0:20:04.299 uh... perry i think he was talking about service 0:20:04.299,0:20:08.220 in the old testament where he talked about not to help me bill with that 0:20:08.220,0:20:13.980 with the hebrew but i think you is talking about uh... services uh... 0:20:13.980,0:20:18.560 comes i believe from the word abad problema 0:20:18.560,0:20:19.610 uh... 0:20:19.610,0:20:21.029 and that 0:20:21.029,0:20:25.679 not also referred to that service that was done in the tabernacle by the 0:20:25.679,0:20:26.800 priests 0:20:26.800,0:20:31.360 and and even goes all the way back to the garden of eden and adam and eve 0:20:31.360,0:20:32.280 uh... 0:20:32.280,0:20:34.419 when god commanded them to 0:20:34.419,0:20:36.830 to kill the earth and to work in 0:20:36.830,0:20:42.810 and he is the very same words uh... to the are uses to serve in temple 0:20:42.810,0:20:45.590 right they serve food looted in the burden 0:20:45.590,0:20:48.110 but they are both there and then uh... 0:20:48.110,0:20:53.520 they also to strong moderate range to to for there 0:20:53.520,0:20:57.680 which is also the role of the priests one of the rolls his speech this uh... 0:20:57.680,0:20:59.549 starting at the temple 0:20:59.549,0:21:01.790 uh... 0:21:01.790,0:21:06.789 now skinner begins his uh... discussion with the novel temple 0:21:06.789,0:21:10.480 and uh... and the temple endowments that were done there but i think it's 0:21:10.480,0:21:13.440 important to recognize that there were in fact 0:21:13.440,0:21:17.840 pro-dole and stanley printable there are and 0:21:17.840,0:21:20.880 but the endowment in fact must be done 0:21:20.880,0:21:22.690 in the 0:21:22.690,0:21:26.470 joseph schmidt's book store and and not do in may 0:21:26.470,0:21:29.280 of uh... forty two i believe 0:21:29.280,0:21:30.720 and um... 0:21:30.720,0:21:35.820 you really want to reflect on why 0:21:35.820,0:21:40.860 did you think the kirkland depend on whether it's a curtain temple is a 0:21:40.860,0:21:41.850 uh... 0:21:41.850,0:21:43.289 prototype 0:21:43.289,0:21:47.029 and a foundation for the later indictment enough whoever you think the 0:21:47.029,0:21:50.110 nub looped and endowment represents 0:21:50.110,0:21:53.169 something entirely different a different direction and for 0:21:53.169,0:21:56.310 anybody want to reflect on that question 0:21:56.310,0:22:01.020 i've always thought that you know joseph smith 0:22:01.020,0:22:05.840 as he went through his life and then through the the restoration it was all 0:22:05.840,0:22:08.940 kind of uh... this for a vote for a process where 0:22:08.940,0:22:12.530 where he received more more art 0:22:12.530,0:22:15.210 revelations that builds one on top clean up 0:22:15.210,0:22:16.570 of of another 0:22:16.570,0:22:18.110 until uh... 0:22:18.110,0:22:22.120 uh... we got to not do n and their you know 0:22:22.120,0:22:23.220 everything 0:22:23.220,0:22:27.440 was then established and built into the structure that's kind of the way that 0:22:27.440,0:22:28.200 i've 0:22:28.200,0:22:30.220 i've i'd thought about it 0:22:30.220,0:22:33.390 uh... i don't know if that's correct uh... 0:22:33.390,0:22:35.940 but uh... 0:22:35.940,0:22:37.780 that's my father ielts 0:22:37.780,0:22:39.150 this bill 0:22:39.150,0:22:44.300 uh... in april has that uh... kirwan sandstone symposium 0:22:44.300,0:22:49.260 where john henry was speaking on the development of the temple 0:22:49.260,0:22:54.270 and he suggested that there are more than one type of temple 0:22:54.270,0:22:56.830 and so for example of the 0:22:56.830,0:22:58.279 community of christ 0:22:58.279,0:23:00.260 printable 0:23:00.260,0:23:04.010 in independence missouri 0:23:04.010,0:23:05.890 serves the same 0:23:05.890,0:23:08.740 type of concept as the trail in temple dot 0:23:08.740,0:23:13.750 whereas joseph developed a secondary temple which focuses 0:23:13.750,0:23:19.030 more on the endowment and now the although it's still can't 0:23:19.030,0:23:20.990 the large 0:23:20.990,0:23:23.180 the large conference hall 0:23:23.180,0:23:24.670 so that 0:23:24.670,0:23:29.240 meetings such as they had a curling could continue also another 0:23:29.240,0:23:34.190 this part we don't normally see in modern millions temples because we focus 0:23:34.190,0:23:37.340 more on endowment 0:23:37.340,0:23:42.029 and the covenants in your hand side of things 0:23:42.029,0:23:43.240 chain 0:23:43.240,0:23:45.640 with meeting at the scene said 0:23:45.640,0:23:47.710 yeah i think we could see that ah... 0:23:47.710,0:23:51.460 bifurcation comes really in salt lake where they build the tabernacle for the 0:23:51.460,0:23:52.610 median 0:23:52.610,0:23:53.500 uh... 0:23:53.500,0:23:57.490 scarf instead of activities that were originally part of the 0:23:57.490,0:24:00.399 uh... curtain nanotubes temple uh... 0:24:00.399,0:24:01.560 concepts 0:24:01.560,0:24:05.580 uh... but then also uh... now conference center but you have the 0:24:05.580,0:24:07.850 tabernacle and conference center serving 0:24:07.850,0:24:10.029 that purpose and the temple 0:24:10.029,0:24:12.360 you know restricted to be done which is a 0:24:12.360,0:24:16.039 and things associate with that when originally there was one building that 0:24:16.039,0:24:18.640 was to sir for both of those functions 0:24:18.640,0:24:22.669 playgroup i think that's all it was is where do you see there 0:24:22.669,0:24:24.470 that separation 0:24:24.470,0:24:27.780 i said i think that there is an important uh... 0:24:27.780,0:24:30.880 uh... indicator that the mckernan temple 0:24:30.880,0:24:33.630 has a lot of the essential characteristics 0:24:33.630,0:24:37.500 uh... clearly their wasn't that it would be 0:24:37.500,0:24:42.210 needs to know the description of christ actually standing on a pulpit 0:24:42.210,0:24:46.780 uh... so we're talking there about being in the presence of the war 0:24:46.780,0:24:48.050 uh... 0:24:48.050,0:24:49.549 the 0:24:49.549,0:24:52.929 outpouring of the spirit was remarkable 0:24:52.929,0:24:56.350 if you read the journals of the experience and at that time 0:24:56.350,0:24:59.549 they literally heard the host of evan c 0:24:59.549,0:25:03.360 and many people described seeing level sandwich 0:25:03.360,0:25:06.530 banana and other descriptions courses angels 0:25:06.530,0:25:07.860 now about 0:25:07.860,0:25:12.080 those uh... characteristics in the temple are certainly president according 0:25:12.080,0:25:13.309 to apple 0:25:13.309,0:25:16.680 and our very typical if you don't hear back here 0:25:16.680,0:25:19.890 to the first of all solomon's temple the tabernacle 0:25:19.890,0:25:22.360 you know to carry on through 0:25:22.360,0:25:25.980 goes for certainly where i was going we've gotten where it needed to be at 0:25:25.980,0:25:27.240 that time 0:25:27.240,0:25:31.880 that maybe as much uh... concern about that with other people were ready 0:25:31.880,0:25:32.910 no 0:25:32.910,0:25:36.370 is whether it and he knew where he was doing but only 0:25:36.370,0:25:37.429 no 0:25:37.429,0:25:41.670 you didn't know further obviously in arguing 0:25:41.670,0:25:44.919 tear the temple and pretend that they don't want revenge 0:25:44.919,0:25:45.610 clearly had 0:25:45.610,0:25:47.720 temple characteristics 0:25:47.720,0:25:50.399 yeah i agree i think that there is they 0:25:50.399,0:25:57.399 uh... 0:25:58.510,0:26:00.790 you know that the real ridges of the church 0:26:00.790,0:26:04.770 when you look at the revelation of the book of moses for example 0:26:04.770,0:26:07.760 uh... as part of the joseph translation 0:26:07.760,0:26:13.220 you look at bradshaw is working on uh... moses as a temple text 0:26:13.220,0:26:17.440 many many of those elements were already in place from the very beginning i mean 0:26:17.440,0:26:18.629 this this was with him 0:26:18.629,0:26:20.990 months of plutonium church 0:26:20.990,0:26:25.580 but uh... that was undertaken and then you can see how it unfolds over the 0:26:25.580,0:26:27.980 course of of the decade or two 0:26:27.980,0:26:29.210 but 0:26:29.210,0:26:30.450 in a sense 0:26:30.450,0:26:34.429 that this user but were there that would be in the gross brothers was the trip 0:26:34.429,0:26:37.370 spoke to girls for words 0:26:37.370,0:26:39.659 david watkins ogata 0:26:39.659,0:26:41.169 and say i would add 0:26:41.169,0:26:42.940 that humor 0:26:42.940,0:26:45.990 temple complex that justice designed 0:26:45.990,0:26:51.210 for independence missouri but uh... myriad of small temples 0:26:51.210,0:26:54.740 not all of them were designed for the endowment somewhere administration 0:26:54.740,0:26:59.500 billings some work for the erotic priest it as well as the milk as a christian 0:26:59.500,0:27:01.750 so sometimes 0:27:01.750,0:27:03.350 will 0:27:03.350,0:27:05.970 focusing on the endowment 0:27:05.970,0:27:09.040 is very important for us as a letter to states 0:27:09.040,0:27:11.260 a sacred space does not 0:27:11.260,0:27:16.250 necessarily have to require the endowment just as the ancient temple 0:27:16.250,0:27:17.230 was 0:27:17.230,0:27:21.639 few holy house of god but at the same time 0:27:21.639,0:27:23.250 did not carry 0:27:23.250,0:27:26.659 the ordinances which we necessarily have today 0:27:26.659,0:27:27.360 yeah 0:27:27.360,0:27:31.309 and if you look back to the temple at the time of jesus for example 0:27:31.309,0:27:35.940 all sorts of things were going on in their in our in addition to 0:27:35.940,0:27:40.149 the more stricter rituals associate with sacrifice 0:27:40.149,0:27:41.900 and then in the temple proper 0:27:41.900,0:27:45.860 and in in the greek taxable for new testament josephus 0:27:45.860,0:27:49.600 they talk about the carol specifically switch which is the temple broadly 0:27:49.600,0:27:52.929 speaking and also the sanctuary of the inner 0:27:52.929,0:27:54.350 inner buildings 0:27:54.350,0:27:57.399 and they're all they're all part of the temple complex 0:27:57.399,0:27:59.159 but jesus was a their teaching 0:27:59.159,0:28:02.499 you know there's all sorts of things going on this end he did that their 0:28:02.499,0:28:07.999 uh... signal study groups as as well as uh... singing and all sorts of uh... 0:28:07.999,0:28:10.250 prayer and worship activities 0:28:10.250,0:28:11.409 sold uh... 0:28:11.409,0:28:13.600 did once said she 0:28:13.600,0:28:17.100 kind of the core of the heart of the temple is is 0:28:17.100,0:28:19.150 what we know protestant alls 0:28:19.150,0:28:24.110 where the endowment occurs but in a broader sense the the temple is also 0:28:24.110,0:28:27.960 more expensive than that and i think if you look at revelation and the 0:28:27.960,0:28:31.800 and near jerusalem is a temple city you'll see that the whole city 0:28:31.800,0:28:35.410 should be a sacred place were gawking world not just one building within the 0:28:35.410,0:28:36.179 city 0:28:36.179,0:28:40.230 and so you're transforming the the ultimate millennial sense 0:28:40.230,0:28:42.090 that 0:28:42.090,0:28:43.580 you know the trouble 0:28:43.580,0:28:45.679 uh... is 0:28:45.679,0:28:50.400 the city the consents or std nutritional return 0:28:50.400,0:28:52.180 italy also come in 0:28:52.180,0:28:54.580 because of a quick one uh... 0:28:54.580,0:28:59.019 one thing the by i hadn't realized before that that i saw a little bit was 0:28:59.019,0:29:02.450 interesting in this chapter of those i was reading it that kind of pertains to 0:29:02.450,0:29:07.379 this you know progression and and how the revelations of the tampa kinda built 0:29:07.379,0:29:09.330 one on pop another 0:29:09.330,0:29:13.060 uh... even one they got to not do in started building the novel temples sings 0:29:13.060,0:29:17.160 that this even at that point not everything was revealed 0:29:17.160,0:29:20.520 uh... because as you go through this chapter you read about how when when 0:29:20.520,0:29:21.410 they did 0:29:21.410,0:29:26.090 finally dedicate the the adduct four of the novel temple date 0:29:26.090,0:29:28.440 they set up canvas protections 0:29:28.440,0:29:34.370 to section and off to two separate the room into those phases are stages 0:29:34.370,0:29:36.519 that would be com the endowment 0:29:36.519,0:29:40.430 and so the building even in abu temple was not belts 0:29:40.430,0:29:41.830 uh... too 0:29:41.830,0:29:47.300 uh... necessarily a company that that the what we know today is the endowment 0:29:47.300,0:29:50.430 on but i had to be accommodated had to be changed 0:29:50.430,0:29:54.400 uh... even even uh... even about lady 0:29:54.400,0:29:58.380 it intended as a multipurpose 0:29:58.380,0:30:02.840 cultural hall type building in the sense that you could portal dividers in change 0:30:02.840,0:30:04.990 it into a classroom or 0:30:04.990,0:30:08.590 you know basketball or whatever i think that it's dancing in the temple on one 0:30:08.590,0:30:12.340 occasion right uh... ekkada 0:30:12.340,0:30:18.400 now of billy collins sure should go to the exclusion 0:30:18.400,0:30:21.929 teardrops on page twelve of uh... temple work 0:30:21.929,0:30:23.530 temple worship 0:30:23.530,0:30:27.230 have become temple work on page twelve 0:30:27.230,0:30:29.929 uh... what does he mean by that 0:30:29.929,0:30:33.330 and and what you think of the term temple work we often say that if you 0:30:33.330,0:30:34.820 can't work 0:30:34.820,0:30:37.370 illegitimate expression here is that 0:30:37.370,0:30:41.490 you know one thing that i thought of as as i read that 0:30:41.490,0:30:44.550 uh... i thought about you know how even today 0:30:44.550,0:30:48.540 you can go to a temple just uh... sit down and read the scriptures 0:30:48.540,0:30:50.500 uh... or study 0:30:50.500,0:30:55.130 and in any kind of sensei whenever you go to the temple you go there for a 0:30:55.130,0:30:59.230 purpose which is to work to do the work of the temple 0:30:59.230,0:31:02.520 uh... it's not simply just to go and meditate 0:31:02.520,0:31:06.690 uh... which is a pretty common practice i think that a lot of other traditions 0:31:06.690,0:31:11.130 are where they go to the temple to tat pray and meditate 0:31:11.130,0:31:13.590 uh... 0:31:13.590,0:31:16.629 the work of the temple is why we go there 0:31:16.629,0:31:17.419 and 0:31:17.419,0:31:18.870 and uh... 0:31:18.870,0:31:21.429 yes just one thought that i have 0:31:21.429,0:31:27.390 yeah i can missus wu profits idea that the kurland temple was in fact uh... 0:31:27.390,0:31:30.280 which we will still study did not just uh... 0:31:30.280,0:31:33.650 worshipped but any other reflections on a 0:31:33.650,0:31:35.279 customer about 0:31:35.279,0:31:38.600 twenty-some years ago and uh... previous taken with him 0:31:38.600,0:31:40.620 where in that 0:31:40.620,0:31:46.409 temple recommend interview at the stake presidency he would ask you how many 0:31:46.409,0:31:50.539 ordinances you're gonna performing the temple that year 0:31:50.539,0:31:57.289 expanded so electorally went from temple warship totally to work installer member 0:31:57.289,0:31:58.970 many 0:31:58.970,0:32:00.160 many 0:32:00.160,0:32:04.060 days trial in the three hours to the atlanta temple 0:32:04.060,0:32:07.710 writing their and at about five or six in the morning in staying there until 0:32:07.710,0:32:10.220 late in the afternoon 0:32:10.220,0:32:12.250 going for a number 0:32:12.250,0:32:18.870 rather than going there for the temple experience 0:32:18.870,0:32:20.640 yeah personally i i don't like that 0:32:20.640,0:32:26.010 return travel work aki temple worships much better or temple service 0:32:26.010,0:32:28.730 i'd prefer purses 0:32:28.730,0:32:33.240 for will more minutes and sort of we talk about things i think it's worth 0:32:33.240,0:32:36.320 noting that this charmer 0:32:36.320,0:32:42.409 is related to protection literally uh... as it has a concept 0:32:42.409,0:32:46.030 the little ellipsoidal means to serve 0:32:46.030,0:32:51.630 and later here in greek means the the work of service 0:32:51.630,0:32:56.350 and so is connected and liturgy than it has as an intimate part of it uh... it 0:32:56.350,0:32:57.919 states need 0:32:57.919,0:33:00.279 the any work that you do 0:33:00.279,0:33:02.179 that serves go up 0:33:02.179,0:33:06.120 but that that's what it means it's you know kind of archaic sense 0:33:06.120,0:33:08.800 and so in that sense if you think about uh... 0:33:08.800,0:33:11.000 the temple work as a 0:33:11.000,0:33:13.070 uh... work of service 0:33:13.070,0:33:15.920 that is certainly know that we should be no 0:33:15.920,0:33:18.620 movie action that we take 0:33:18.620,0:33:22.900 uh... i i think the the concept of of temple work uh... 0:33:22.900,0:33:27.020 maybe a little bit more meaningful rather than work in the sense that we 0:33:27.020,0:33:30.859 think of it is you know that updated it sure mow the lawn or whatever 0:33:30.859,0:33:34.580 this work have 0:33:34.580,0:33:37.930 i don't think we want to try to equate 0:33:37.930,0:33:43.840 temple service with with the way we usually use work in in contemporary 0:33:43.840,0:33:47.650 so i'd just like to kind of broader stage between us 0:33:47.650,0:33:50.249 we're going to be outta here talk about the different 0:33:50.249,0:33:52.200 many of those words 0:33:52.200,0:33:56.460 and uh... uh... margaret workers made a big point that theory 0:33:56.460,0:33:58.050 karoo 0:33:58.050,0:33:59.269 that was used 0:33:59.269,0:34:01.850 when they left the garden 0:34:01.850,0:34:03.070 nvm 0:34:03.070,0:34:06.900 uh... into into word for temples and work 0:34:06.900,0:34:08.389 is the same 0:34:08.389,0:34:11.649 the and so it does it's a different connotation 0:34:11.649,0:34:14.529 we don't understand that because of that 0:34:14.529,0:34:19.109 we have a as a as a single word in english 0:34:19.109,0:34:24.269 communicates differently in in in the other languages and so it does take on a 0:34:24.269,0:34:26.189 different meaning 0:34:26.189,0:34:30.179 and it does really by believed very clearly too 0:34:30.179,0:34:34.199 the letter g_ and that's another thing i've learned from other traditions 0:34:34.199,0:34:37.889 wanted to know what i was having is catholic friend of mine 0:34:37.889,0:34:41.209 that literally when he goes to mast 0:34:41.209,0:34:44.549 the letter g_ is his temple experience 0:34:44.549,0:34:49.979 as historically that's working for and passing the greek orthodox tradition 0:34:49.979,0:34:52.240 i have a comment on that as well as 0:34:52.240,0:34:56.319 i think it's interesting that you know adam and eve we're told that by the 0:34:56.319,0:34:59.700 sweat of their brown should they keep their bread 0:34:59.700,0:35:03.779 all the days of their life i think it's interesting to note that 0:35:03.779,0:35:08.180 in the tabernacle the priests would ensure they released on a on a weekly 0:35:08.180,0:35:09.439 basis 0:35:09.439,0:35:12.139 uh... to it brad 0:35:12.139,0:35:18.039 end so i think there's an interesting connection there 0:35:18.039,0:35:22.999 um... status as in in bay city ordinances are performed in providence 0:35:22.999,0:35:27.209 late there in that cannot be done anywhere else honors 0:35:27.209,0:35:30.219 t right about that 0:35:30.219,0:35:34.859 well historically speaking uh... 0:35:34.859,0:35:38.429 to go way back obviously if we talk about what we talked about last week 0:35:38.429,0:35:39.789 with uh... 0:35:39.789,0:35:41.069 naked 0:35:41.069,0:35:41.970 uh... 0:35:41.970,0:35:45.859 if in fact uh... as it was indicated by the president on me 0:35:45.859,0:35:48.109 that that was his in belmont 0:35:48.109,0:35:51.099 uh... there was the physical structure that out 0:35:51.099,0:35:52.479 uh... 0:35:52.479,0:35:53.190 if u 0:35:53.190,0:35:59.089 characterize the manifesto eurasian as being a similar experience 0:35:59.089,0:35:59.910 uh... 0:35:59.910,0:36:01.440 implementing 0:36:01.440,0:36:06.949 so typical you know that's idea so there are examples historically speaking or 0:36:06.949,0:36:10.519 uh... those artists used to take place uh... loan amount 0:36:10.519,0:36:13.299 and in fact in early mormon history 0:36:13.299,0:36:14.929 uh... 0:36:14.929,0:36:17.869 the ordinance is it as i understand it were performed 0:36:17.869,0:36:23.369 u_n_ utah in salt lake city before they had a gap of about one house 0:36:23.369,0:36:27.219 is in in a private the situation uh... 0:36:27.219,0:36:32.739 uh... meant to hurt banana in a place where they could be seventy s at work 0:36:32.739,0:36:36.789 out as i understand that there were there are some announced that took place 0:36:36.789,0:36:42.729 on the ensign peak if i understand it correctly 0:36:42.729,0:36:48.469 uh... i think uh... we need to qualify his statement that i i suspect uh... 0:36:48.469,0:36:50.959 uh... and andy would agree that 0:36:50.959,0:36:55.729 it it it's that while we have temples 0:36:55.729,0:36:57.710 in our current sure europe 0:36:57.710,0:37:00.899 tacoma know how many interview something like that 0:37:00.899,0:37:03.569 uh... you know it changes every year but uh... 0:37:03.569,0:37:06.339 every month different conformal ect 0:37:06.339,0:37:10.959 now we have to hold still that's the only place where we can 0:37:10.959,0:37:12.189 the 0:37:12.189,0:37:13.919 make these cuts 0:37:13.919,0:37:18.480 but in the absence of temples there are alternatives of lord can provide 0:37:18.480,0:37:21.009 the stone mountain already 0:37:21.009,0:37:24.740 building uh... temporarily set apart for this little schmitz 0:37:24.740,0:37:25.999 of store 0:37:25.999,0:37:27.519 of your resume 0:37:27.519,0:37:31.450 the commissioner river they think of the first endowments 0:37:31.450,0:37:36.409 so i i just think that's important to note that 0:37:36.409,0:37:38.749 we are now in a temple which 0:37:38.749,0:37:39.929 age 0:37:39.929,0:37:41.799 where there's many many temples 0:37:41.799,0:37:45.619 but other ages we are so fortunate and the word sometimes will provide 0:37:45.619,0:37:48.949 alternatives in those situations 0:37:48.949,0:37:51.759 univ comments 0:37:51.759,0:37:54.279 i think it also 0:37:54.279,0:37:56.089 today 0:37:56.089,0:37:58.599 we have temples or 0:37:58.599,0:38:00.569 can perform the ordinances 0:38:00.569,0:38:03.779 of the temple anywhere that 0:38:03.779,0:38:06.069 he holds all the key 0:38:06.069,0:38:07.609 determines they can do so 0:38:07.609,0:38:11.879 and that is the profits of the church 0:38:11.879,0:38:15.089 now there are for solutions for her groups that kind of take upon themselves 0:38:15.089,0:38:19.249 to do their own thing in different ways which 0:38:19.249,0:38:22.140 but we don't need to talk about but that's kind of a 0:38:22.140,0:38:26.609 alternate paths that some have taken that kind of violates this principle 0:38:26.609,0:38:29.039 especially the 0:38:29.039,0:38:31.170 unique authority of the profit 0:38:31.170,0:38:32.800 you know what one question night 0:38:32.800,0:38:34.729 that i had as uh... 0:38:34.729,0:38:38.489 um... as your saying that 0:38:38.489,0:38:43.609 i believe back in the or earlier days of the church 0:38:43.609,0:38:45.459 uh... at least one of the 0:38:45.459,0:38:48.579 uh... practices of the temple the prayer circle 0:38:48.579,0:38:54.209 uh... could be performed and members homes is that as i cracked 0:38:54.209,0:38:58.499 you left your readers historically speaking actually have doing 0:38:58.499,0:39:01.359 places uh... or movie 0:39:01.359,0:39:05.479 tabernacle zand in various locations 0:39:05.479,0:39:06.300 where that 0:39:06.300,0:39:10.699 burglars and hope also another there was a quorum 0:39:10.699,0:39:13.799 daniels called the core of the second knowing 0:39:13.799,0:39:17.629 who would gather in two members homes in deeper circle 0:39:17.629,0:39:22.359 but it was very select group that were selected by joe smith 0:39:22.359,0:39:27.659 then later by brigham young to be in that group 0:39:27.659,0:39:30.849 david there are some things that uh... have been 0:39:30.849,0:39:32.199 kind of uh... yeah 0:39:32.199,0:39:36.089 coalesced into the temple notes for a little more broadly 0:39:36.089,0:39:39.459 uh... done and an earlier days 0:39:39.459,0:39:43.219 uh... 0:39:43.219,0:39:46.359 the last question i have is uh... 0:39:46.359,0:39:49.769 scattered thoughts from thirteen to fourteen about receiving the full list 0:39:49.769,0:39:51.679 of the holy ghost 0:39:51.679,0:39:54.039 as part of the 0:39:54.039,0:39:56.019 uh... temple 0:39:56.019,0:39:57.269 we make of that 0:39:57.269,0:39:58.360 statement 0:39:58.360,0:40:01.950 mantra of the fact that a little bit or was it 0:40:01.950,0:40:03.940 that's the first time i think i've 0:40:03.940,0:40:10.940 i've read that to release the recognized that is something unique 0:40:11.499,0:40:14.089 for me i believe 0:40:14.089,0:40:19.279 to work in the holy ghost as the first comforters to prepare s to see the 0:40:19.279,0:40:22.059 second comforter 0:40:22.059,0:40:26.380 and so and that is exactly what we're doing in the temple when we do that is 0:40:26.380,0:40:29.419 that's for the dad lincoln firm 0:40:29.419,0:40:33.699 the dad with the holy ghost it is a step towards 0:40:33.699,0:40:36.179 bringing them into 0:40:36.179,0:40:38.849 contact that they got here 0:40:38.849,0:40:41.419 where the first member of the got him 0:40:41.419,0:40:45.709 from which he can then prepare us through sanctity cation 0:40:45.709,0:40:52.709 so that we can then near into the presence of christ mistaking comforter 0:40:53.059,0:40:55.930 one one thought that i had uh... 0:40:55.930,0:40:59.000 uh... when i was pondering about this the fullness 0:40:59.000,0:41:00.589 of the holy ghost 0:41:00.589,0:41:04.079 that sounds like tumi it's a completion 0:41:04.079,0:41:06.059 of the endowment 0:41:06.059,0:41:08.779 uh... or or do tone and rather 0:41:08.779,0:41:12.789 newtown being this this coming together 0:41:12.789,0:41:19.189 of god and man and everything coming together it's the apt one months 0:41:19.189,0:41:23.549 and having there for a full list of the holy ghost and means you have become one 0:41:23.549,0:41:24.819 with 0:41:24.819,0:41:27.210 the holy ghost stories that's kind of before 0:41:27.210,0:41:32.539 the process that i went through 0:41:32.539,0:41:36.089 so that's all the uh... 0:41:36.089,0:41:39.589 things i thought up to race does anybody have any last 0:41:39.589,0:41:42.949 comments or things that they found interesting this chapter that we have 0:41:42.949,0:41:45.389 discussed so far 0:41:45.389,0:41:49.619 well i think it does make sense ended up going to take care of the end 0:41:49.619,0:41:54.919 ring he's quoted as saying we need to temple more than anything else 0:41:54.919,0:41:57.299 and i think that the uh... 0:41:57.299,0:41:59.749 experience that was uh... 0:41:59.749,0:42:02.029 had enough 0:42:02.029,0:42:06.259 uh... it was a demonstration of how critically important those early 0:42:06.259,0:42:07.469 members 0:42:07.469,0:42:10.499 well it was in my hope is that uh... 0:42:10.499,0:42:13.529 we engender that uh... desire 0:42:13.529,0:42:15.979 for all of that all of our school 0:42:15.979,0:42:16.939 remembers hearing 0:42:16.939,0:42:18.969 ourselves included 0:42:18.969,0:42:24.319 because uh... i do think that it does represent uh... ultimately 0:42:24.319,0:42:26.849 the fullness 0:42:26.849,0:42:31.099 of the gospel of ul newborns the you all the things you don't spoil 0:42:31.099,0:42:33.459 you invited in the temple 0:42:33.459,0:42:40.459 now you release the oligomer i don't want to 0:42:40.929,0:42:45.259 if it still is this a symbolic in any way in a way 0:42:45.259,0:42:47.609 and prosecute uted or 0:42:47.609,0:42:48.339 is 0:42:48.339,0:42:52.519 do you do that but i don't mean to say about obama's 0:42:52.519,0:42:54.289 ultimately our goal 0:42:54.289,0:42:57.289 used to get back in business or 0:42:57.289,0:42:59.979 that's what i'm but like i say 0:42:59.979,0:43:03.489 that's a very well but that's where he ac 0:43:03.489,0:43:09.319 yeah i i i agree uh... now the early saints that seems likely 0:43:09.319,0:43:14.579 they had their sites so set on the temple and and and by think we see this 0:43:14.579,0:43:16.239 really quite fully 0:43:16.239,0:43:20.799 cairns tempera morning word that i kept underlining because it assad again and 0:43:20.799,0:43:22.069 again and again 0:43:22.069,0:43:24.359 was anxiety 0:43:24.359,0:43:27.799 their anxiety to have 0:43:27.799,0:43:32.569 visible lesson of the temple ordinances uh... performed 0:43:32.569,0:43:36.390 uh... before they were cast out of love who was so great i mean 0:43:36.390,0:43:40.519 that at literally almost stress will come 0:43:40.519,0:43:42.459 are that they might not 0:43:42.459,0:43:46.029 you get to that point they might not be able to receive it and there is a 0:43:46.029,0:43:48.779 anxiety or cause them so therefore 0:43:48.779,0:43:51.909 i mean they were all hours of the day and night 0:43:51.909,0:43:57.319 uh... doing it because they saw one of the their desire was so great and so 0:43:57.319,0:43:58.629 strong and 0:43:58.629,0:44:00.249 and i hope 0:44:00.249,0:44:03.009 that uh... we have 0:44:03.009,0:44:05.469 that kind of desire to day 0:44:05.469,0:44:07.249 uh... too 0:44:07.249,0:44:11.319 to attend the temple seem to serve in the temple 0:44:11.319,0:44:14.919 uh... into learn more about it 0:44:14.919,0:44:17.449 yeah would you also ahead 0:44:17.449,0:44:22.099 in nineteen eighty one i was serving on my mission in bolivia 0:44:22.099,0:44:25.429 working in the cleanup office and we had 0:44:25.429,0:44:30.679 a couple of brothers and their families come down from western bolivia 0:44:30.679,0:44:34.369 and stuff for a couple of days treat fresh 0:44:34.369,0:44:37.649 in sankara's bolivia on the side 0:44:37.649,0:44:40.009 prior to dealing on a bus 0:44:40.009,0:44:43.159 to drive the public trust brazil 0:44:43.159,0:44:45.409 to go to the temple for 0:44:45.409,0:44:47.229 the first and perhaps 0:44:47.229,0:44:50.769 what do you expect to be the only time in their lives 0:44:50.769,0:44:54.199 for them to take them an entire month 0:44:54.199,0:44:55.720 to go to the temple 0:44:55.720,0:45:00.749 stay there week union jerry stern 0:45:00.749,0:45:03.139 and 0:45:03.139,0:45:07.619 they head incidents happened when their children was hit by a car 0:45:07.619,0:45:10.699 broken arm and things like this on the way 0:45:10.699,0:45:14.089 but when we return 0:45:14.089,0:45:17.039 month later to speak with them in the scene 0:45:17.039,0:45:18.320 the change 0:45:18.320,0:45:21.579 near demeanor because he cut the clients 0:45:21.579,0:45:25.729 i want to the temple is all about 0:45:25.729,0:45:28.059 that gave me didn't 0:45:28.059,0:45:30.309 need a sacrifice 0:45:30.309,0:45:31.929 very much like 0:45:31.929,0:45:33.919 those hurley seats 0:45:33.919,0:45:38.419 unions and to build a temple into preparing themselves before having to 0:45:38.419,0:45:41.709 leave it 0:45:41.709,0:45:43.539 looks great out there and uh... 0:45:43.539,0:45:45.059 category 0:45:45.059,0:45:48.739 absolutely 0:45:48.739,0:45:51.559 by uh... certainly appreciate 0:45:51.559,0:45:54.089 uh... all those who have 0:45:54.089,0:45:56.480 uh... taking the time out of there 0:45:56.480,0:45:58.759 their evening to be with us here tonight 0:45:58.759,0:46:00.869 i think we were we 0:46:00.869,0:46:03.619 uh... enriched and uplifted in 0:46:03.619,0:46:08.029 and learning more about the tabloid i certainly enjoy these discussions and 0:46:08.029,0:46:10.689 and i hope that uh... you did to him that 0:46:10.689,0:46:12.229 net world getting 0:46:12.229,0:46:15.409 uh... something out of that our mind and i think we are 0:46:15.409,0:46:21.259 and i i appreciate uh... our panelists to contribute urs this evening for 0:46:21.259,0:46:26.629 uh... for their input and uh... teaching us what they know 0:46:26.629,0:46:32.190 anne last comments 0:46:32.190,0:46:36.779 well we will and this uh... discussion for this evening we uh... we appreciate 0:46:36.779,0:46:39.410 their dinner with us and well will see again next time