0:00:02.060,0:00:04.200 okay 0:00:04.200,0:00:08.499 i think we live 0:00:08.499,0:00:10.210 this is a a lion 0:00:10.210,0:00:12.369 uh... google hang out 0:00:12.369,0:00:17.659 at temple study dot com uh... fireside discussion about the temple 0:00:17.659,0:00:23.130 uh... we're excited about this missus something definitely very new all of us 0:00:23.130,0:00:23.960 uh... 0:00:23.960,0:00:27.230 uh... definitely had some technical difficulties that's why we're starting 0:00:27.230,0:00:29.550 about ten minutes later so okhla 0:00:29.550,0:00:33.690 adams guarantee you that you were in the wrong place but uh... we had uh... 0:00:33.690,0:00:36.500 we had to get our panelists and on the discussion here that are going to be 0:00:36.500,0:00:38.720 lending their in their voices in there 0:00:38.720,0:00:41.510 uh... their knowledge to this discussion limit 0:00:41.510,0:00:43.470 uh... i'm hoping that it will be 0:00:43.470,0:00:45.540 a really helpful to a lot of people 0:00:45.540,0:00:50.370 uh... glad you could join us i'm we're going to introduce our ourselves first 0:00:50.370,0:00:52.950 uh... so you know who we all are 0:00:52.950,0:00:57.340 and uh... then walk and talk about what this is going to be all about 0:00:57.340,0:01:01.400 uh... and the text is that uh... we're going to be are using to springboard our 0:01:01.400,0:01:02.490 discussion 0:01:02.490,0:01:05.020 and then we'll just hop right into the tax cell 0:01:05.020,0:01:10.320 uh... all introduce myself first embrace hemant on a campaign dashing uh... 0:01:10.320,0:01:11.720 editor child 0:01:11.720,0:01:13.530 double study cup 0:01:13.530,0:01:18.950 harm pesticides and qualified 0:01:18.950,0:01:21.799 toward about uh... 0:01:21.799,0:01:23.310 but the 0:01:23.310,0:01:26.500 or four years 0:01:26.500,0:01:27.330 maybe five 0:01:27.330,0:01:30.570 for five years and now it temple study dot com 0:01:30.570,0:01:34.950 uh... and uh... i've really enjoyed that really enjoyed learning about the temple 0:01:34.950,0:01:39.680 and increasing that men knowledge in and sharing what i've learned and study with 0:01:39.680,0:01:43.000 with with other people it's really been enjoyable for me 0:01:43.000,0:01:45.600 uh... just recently i was able to 0:01:45.600,0:01:46.609 uh... 0:01:46.609,0:01:52.010 work with uh... dan peterson and william handel in and others too 0:01:52.010,0:01:56.660 uh... build and launch uh... a new journal hot cold interpreter 0:01:56.660,0:01:59.070 and journal of mormon 0:01:59.070,0:02:00.170 treasure 0:02:00.170,0:02:01.440 which is uh... 0:02:01.440,0:02:07.750 a great opportunity for a new avenue in and apologetics and defending the trips 0:02:07.750,0:02:08.999 in the gospel 0:02:08.999,0:02:11.809 uh... so i'm really excited about that 0:02:11.809,0:02:14.799 so that's a brief intro of me 0:02:14.799,0:02:16.689 we will now i A 0:02:16.689,0:02:19.799 uh... switchover to uh... 0:02:19.799,0:02:21.079 ashu kal 0:02:21.079,0:02:25.039 uh... he is with us rick if you could introduce yourself 0:02:25.039,0:02:28.319 hi armor etc audio 0:02:28.319,0:02:29.519 them 0:02:29.519,0:02:32.419 interested in the temples for 0:02:32.419,0:02:34.879 perhaps longer than some of you who have been 0:02:34.879,0:02:35.839 hacker act 0:02:35.839,0:02:38.189 and mortality of 0:02:38.189,0:02:42.479 it's been a passion of mine and i had several opportunities 0:02:42.479,0:02:47.109 at one point i was hired away from the way you to work 0:02:47.109,0:02:50.509 in the salt lake tahoe 0:02:50.509,0:02:54.489 my job was to know everything there was no about the invalid so that 0:02:54.489,0:02:57.499 translators who had questions 0:02:57.499,0:03:00.259 concerning parts of the endowments could 0:03:00.259,0:03:05.029 get their translations correct 0:03:05.029,0:03:06.409 a lot 0:03:06.409,0:03:11.979 maybe too much expecting uh... and at uh... at the present time i'm involved 0:03:11.979,0:03:17.209 with gary anderson john holland jack welch in 0:03:17.209,0:03:19.309 putting together this week 0:03:19.309,0:03:22.959 conference that will be held in october and that you've seen 0:03:22.959,0:03:28.429 uh... braces page about that six temples kitchen tables mormons conference 0:03:28.429,0:03:32.419 which i think will be quite exciting and that's plenty about me 0:03:32.419,0:03:35.919 yeah let me let me just actually on a switch over in just show that really 0:03:35.919,0:03:39.229 quickly for our viewers to see 0:03:39.229,0:03:40.219 so they can 0:03:40.219,0:03:42.309 they can know what we're talking about 0:03:42.309,0:03:43.889 uh... 0:03:43.889,0:03:48.279 so this is the the the website that rick is talking about uh... 0:03:48.279,0:03:50.489 temple studies dot org 0:03:50.489,0:03:53.159 uh... the academy for temple studies 0:03:53.159,0:03:55.139 and 0:03:55.139,0:03:58.839 like you said this is a this is a new academy that the rich is put together 0:03:58.839,0:04:00.949 and we're really excited about it 0:04:00.949,0:04:04.579 there's going to be like you said a conference com 0:04:04.579,0:04:09.209 coming up that's deals with the temple uh... up in logan utah it's on october 0:04:09.209,0:04:13.269 twenty ninth and you can see the details here on this website 0:04:13.269,0:04:17.340 again temple studies dot or were really excited about that uh... 0:04:17.340,0:04:18.799 margaret barker 0:04:18.799,0:04:20.160 and uh... 0:04:20.160,0:04:24.460 uh... lines hemming and and and many other great uh... presenters 0:04:24.460,0:04:28.229 are going to be coming i here's just a sampling terry anderson 0:04:28.229,0:04:29.919 uh... dental bachman 0:04:29.919,0:04:32.400 uh... murder parker phil barlow 0:04:32.400,0:04:34.169 the grand babies 0:04:34.169,0:04:35.330 john paul's 0:04:35.330,0:04:36.949 uh... dot paul 0:04:36.949,0:04:38.239 alarms hemming 0:04:38.239,0:04:39.569 uh... there's a rick 0:04:39.569,0:04:41.320 uh... he's with us tonight 0:04:41.320,0:04:45.610 uh... daniel peterson and john welch will be the presents another conference 0:04:45.610,0:04:47.370 so that's really exciting 0:04:47.370,0:04:48.740 uh... and were 0:04:48.740,0:04:52.360 we're so glad to have you with the strict tonight 0:04:52.360,0:04:56.309 well i want to say one more thing broken look at how beautiful at that website 0:04:56.309,0:05:00.259 becca cracked 0:05:00.259,0:05:03.099 it up to your phone list websites 0:05:03.099,0:05:06.900 we would not be online if it were not for the web skills of bryce in his 0:05:06.900,0:05:08.180 brother brad 0:05:08.180,0:05:09.050 and 0:05:09.050,0:05:12.139 this is this is yeoman service this guy 0:05:12.139,0:05:16.610 works really really hard i know how much work you put into that 0:05:16.610,0:05:19.770 interpreter side it's just it's just 0:05:19.770,0:05:23.610 that boggles the mind them at work you've done so i want and what 0:05:23.610,0:05:25.050 figure much i appreciate it 0:05:25.050,0:05:28.630 yes you're very welcome i i i guess i forgot to mention that but i helped you 0:05:28.630,0:05:31.220 out with the witness website as well so 0:05:31.220,0:05:37.460 and i'm glad to have that opportunity to uh... to help out wherever i can 0:05:37.460,0:05:38.710 so 0:05:38.710,0:05:42.150 uh... actually want warm over there let me 0:05:42.150,0:05:43.910 let me also show this one 0:05:43.910,0:05:47.180 no i i mentioned interpreter and uh... here it is 0:05:47.180,0:05:48.580 um... 0:05:48.580,0:05:53.039 this is the uh... the new journal that uh... daniel peterson announced on 0:05:53.039,0:05:56.300 friday at the fair conference in san diego 0:05:56.300,0:05:58.209 is a uh... new journal 0:05:58.209,0:06:03.129 that way alarm and be focused on latter day saint uh... scriptures 0:06:03.129,0:06:07.289 uh... and uh... helping us increase our understanding of scripture cell 0:06:07.289,0:06:08.490 very exciting stuff 0:06:08.490,0:06:14.610 really exciting that time uh... and they'll be a studies 0:06:14.610,0:06:16.120 i think your ect 0:06:16.120,0:06:19.739 let's go to a steep january introduce yourself 0:06:19.739,0:06:26.460 germany's steven 0:06:26.460,0:06:29.059 briefers grew up in credibility 0:06:29.059,0:06:32.139 order cat 0:06:32.139,0:06:34.429 do you know it 0:06:34.429,0:06:38.439 why i was just uh... so you know my group in texas side leaving las vegas 0:06:38.439,0:06:40.580 now and uh... 0:06:40.580,0:06:42.430 it several years back 0:06:42.430,0:06:43.360 uh... 0:06:43.360,0:06:48.029 came across temple study and i was just really intrigued by that i just i love 0:06:48.029,0:06:49.300 everything 0:06:49.300,0:06:52.909 uh... having to do with the temple and i'm giving you a little bit 0:06:52.909,0:06:57.580 like technologies was fantastic i i really enjoyed it 0:06:57.580,0:07:00.099 the continent to really work 0:07:00.099,0:07:04.199 and how what was being presented and how is being covered and i honestly thought 0:07:04.199,0:07:07.179 that some of the information wanted words 0:07:07.179,0:07:08.620 uh... 0:07:08.620,0:07:11.789 was it was great for the public as well as people who are familiar with the 0:07:11.789,0:07:13.839 temple so 0:07:13.839,0:07:14.590 uh... 0:07:14.590,0:07:17.709 just seeing it that out there and then uh... 0:07:17.709,0:07:21.259 uh... just reading a uh... 0:07:21.259,0:07:23.529 little article from uh... 0:07:23.529,0:07:26.569 elder ballard where he said that we should all be out there and eating in 0:07:26.569,0:07:27.829 the discussion 0:07:27.829,0:07:33.389 that uh... khana prompted me to uh... i'll start my own site and uh... to 0:07:33.389,0:07:36.979 start exploring in putting some information out there it's more of a 0:07:36.979,0:07:38.259 public journal 0:07:38.259,0:07:45.259 underwriter on not smaller adjusting julie uh... i'm julie temple as as uh... 0:07:45.379,0:07:46.600 something that can be 0:07:46.600,0:07:53.600 used ads as stricture that eugene uh... insurance you you can experience yet you 0:07:53.600,0:07:57.739 can use any a dairy dynamic immune equally 0:07:57.739,0:07:59.180 uh... in our fee 0:07:59.180,0:08:01.220 and i think there's a lot that 0:08:01.220,0:08:05.050 that members and and those who are members of the church and watched him 0:08:05.050,0:08:08.960 really learn from the temple that it is just starting to 0:08:08.960,0:08:13.349 to maybe get out there and some on sun city moral so 0:08:13.349,0:08:16.300 i think the more that we can talk about it and get out there and help people 0:08:16.300,0:08:19.969 understand that year they're curious about your 0:08:19.969,0:08:21.649 uh... members of seeking to 0:08:21.649,0:08:25.460 to figure out you know how do you use a temple you know letterhead and really 0:08:25.460,0:08:29.440 don't know whether there's ordinances but but what else what else is that what 0:08:29.440,0:08:31.779 also what about 0:08:31.779,0:08:36.339 on loai always invited here by the ice and alot during first us 0:08:36.339,0:08:38.920 technocrat cancun 0:08:38.920,0:08:42.160 well we we sure appreciate you with steve uh... 0:08:42.160,0:08:46.830 i have been doing a reading what you have written about the cost poland about 0:08:46.830,0:08:48.820 tumbler of symbolism 0:08:48.820,0:08:55.040 and uh... just so everyone knows steve is uh... a also mall some designer 0:08:55.040,0:08:56.389 and back better than me 0:08:56.389,0:08:57.199 i would say 0:08:57.199,0:09:03.759 much better that means he's really really good hit the absolutely 0:09:03.759,0:09:05.620 absolutely excellent so 0:09:05.620,0:09:11.050 uh... we use your appreciation for being here with this night 0:09:11.050,0:09:12.410 contributors 0:09:12.410,0:09:14.750 what's your side stage 0:09:14.750,0:09:15.980 this weekend 0:09:15.980,0:09:18.280 it's one climbs dot com 0:09:18.280,0:09:21.730 what's shown that actually here on the screen all of that 0:09:21.730,0:09:25.170 that's important stuff 0:09:25.170,0:09:26.310 yeah i just 0:09:26.310,0:09:28.750 redesigned it 0:09:28.750,0:09:31.700 recently has launched its against them 0:09:31.700,0:09:34.110 so heres 0:09:34.110,0:09:39.220 this is uh... steve reads site one clients dot com 0:09:39.220,0:09:41.479 and is where he belongs about 0:09:41.479,0:09:44.879 all sorts of different things are related to uh... the gospel 0:09:44.879,0:09:47.869 uh... like he said it's kind of a journal sorts but i think he doesn't 0:09:47.869,0:09:49.850 absolutely excellent job 0:09:49.850,0:09:54.300 uh... with the things that uh... that you're right about here 0:09:54.300,0:09:58.900 so so check it out everybody 0:09:58.900,0:10:00.210 all right 0:10:00.210,0:10:02.510 fantasies but out here 0:10:02.510,0:10:05.350 teddy washburn uh... 0:10:05.350,0:10:06.910 yesterday's yourself 0:10:06.910,0:10:08.310 sheridan 0:10:08.310,0:10:12.960 uh... actually can have a similar stories to use uh... i came across 0:10:12.960,0:10:15.200 temple study sometime ago 0:10:15.200,0:10:18.000 and hum 0:10:18.000,0:10:22.500 started my own whatever one calls sacred symbol at that 0:10:22.500,0:10:26.110 sort of similar to steve's it's just kind of general gospel stuff it often 0:10:26.110,0:10:28.290 focuses on the temple but 0:10:28.290,0:10:34.050 uh... often other subs whether an amateur to romance color anything like 0:10:34.050,0:10:35.110 that 0:10:35.110,0:10:41.000 uh... when does it look as fanciest years it but uh... interestingly 0:10:41.000,0:10:42.450 of this error 0:10:42.450,0:10:45.570 yet that's gone dot com 0:10:45.570,0:10:49.810 interestingly that didn't commit to the technical stuff it was 0:10:49.810,0:10:54.810 that it was my initial contact with bryce asking about you know how to get 0:10:54.810,0:10:56.280 his body 0:10:56.280,0:11:01.490 and two different things like that that premier a_m_ today my idle korea is 0:11:01.490,0:11:04.840 built around uh... clap form that runs 0:11:04.840,0:11:09.740 the rest of the study and convince my books and stuff like that 0:11:09.740,0:11:13.680 because of the national contacted by saying i got it is to uh... you know 0:11:13.680,0:11:17.060 it's kind of solution and always been looking forward 0:11:17.060,0:11:18.089 uh... just 0:11:18.089,0:11:19.230 you know 0:11:19.230,0:11:25.670 years of of working different things but uh... now it's not smile job but so i 0:11:25.670,0:11:30.889 did that and then up probably more people know me from marvin lifehacker 0:11:30.889,0:11:34.400 are after started and run the buckets full 0:11:34.400,0:11:37.410 you know i'm not payroll rather 0:11:37.410,0:11:40.600 but uh... 0:11:40.600,0:11:42.600 so that uh... 0:11:42.600,0:11:44.280 pool 0:11:44.280,0:11:47.320 that may be a good way to put it is 0:11:47.320,0:11:51.720 raised helped me out with a very small thing but it ended up being 0:11:51.720,0:11:54.980 multiplying over time usually a huge thing 0:11:54.980,0:11:56.160 amout 0:11:56.160,0:12:00.630 uh... and yet this is the closest to meeting face to face that i've ever 0:12:00.630,0:12:04.940 except under control we're going to go out there and have a lunch or something 0:12:04.940,0:12:09.639 but the never happened though it's a must be park expect 0:12:09.639,0:12:14.240 at lisa and this is the lord that and threatened 0:12:14.240,0:12:16.620 howard had good intentions right 0:12:16.620,0:12:19.270 now at that point 0:12:19.270,0:12:23.590 on sunday a with i really appreciate to have the on some of you my tears in his 0:12:23.590,0:12:25.360 name pop up well 0:12:25.360,0:12:29.980 uh... because of uh... did restore farms dot com movement 0:12:29.980,0:12:35.140 um... when we see saw what happened to farms at the maxwell institute 0:12:35.140,0:12:36.480 uh... we're on the side 0:12:36.480,0:12:38.300 uh... to say the least 0:12:38.300,0:12:39.030 uh... 0:12:39.030,0:12:42.130 and wanted to see that kind of scholarship in that kind of apologetics 0:12:42.130,0:12:43.120 just really 0:12:43.120,0:12:45.130 live on and keep going 0:12:45.130,0:12:48.170 uh... so we started uh... restore farms 0:12:48.170,0:12:49.299 dot com 0:12:49.299,0:12:53.420 um... and i can actually throw that one up here too because eh... 0:12:53.420,0:12:54.770 idea really helps 0:12:54.770,0:13:00.010 uh... spearhead that an irish really appreciate all there for a bit that he 0:13:00.010,0:13:01.100 did 0:13:01.100,0:13:02.380 um... bit 0:13:02.380,0:13:04.520 to that went into that 0:13:04.520,0:13:07.880 getting that launched in getting it going and everything and i think that 0:13:07.880,0:13:10.480 really made a difference and keeping 0:13:10.480,0:13:13.180 you know that spirit alive and and uh... 0:13:13.180,0:13:19.540 the energy in the enthusiasm going through farm cell thank u tebya 0:13:19.540,0:13:22.060 europcar 0:13:22.060,0:13:23.110 thank you 0:13:23.110,0:13:27.350 all right well that now that those were some uh... good introductions i think 0:13:27.350,0:13:28.600 everybody uh... 0:13:28.600,0:13:32.260 knows well now who we have here we have a great uh... 0:13:32.260,0:13:34.760 great some great people with us 0:13:34.760,0:13:39.150 and uh... looking forward to our our discussion here together 0:13:39.150,0:13:43.680 uh... what this is going to be let's connect trying to be like a fireside 0:13:43.680,0:13:45.150 discussion 0:13:45.150,0:13:46.170 uh... 0:13:46.170,0:13:50.870 i know that typically uh... fireside z in the church are kind of mona is this 0:13:50.870,0:13:56.250 meeting that you go to in the evening on sunday and um... 0:13:56.250,0:13:58.290 uh... 0:13:58.290,0:14:02.580 and i have people chatting with me right now 0:14:02.580,0:14:07.500 complete wondering where this is happening so on this point some aragon 0:14:07.500,0:14:09.420 uh... 0:14:09.420,0:14:13.110 so yeah and the church we have this conception of a fire size government ye 0:14:13.110,0:14:17.860 evening here you go to the the church building and sit down in the chapel and 0:14:17.860,0:14:20.910 here's some great talks 0:14:20.910,0:14:21.910 arm but i think 0:14:21.910,0:14:25.539 the idea that by the fireside discussion actually kind of 0:14:25.539,0:14:26.829 originated 0:14:26.829,0:14:32.130 uh... in a little bit earlier i'm not sure how early and and uh... 0:14:32.130,0:14:33.899 b l d s torture 0:14:33.899,0:14:36.800 that ideal of fireside really came about 0:14:36.800,0:14:42.079 uh... but uh... i maybe rick can now provides more details there is anwar 0:14:42.079,0:14:46.129 resident historian here to certainly much more than i do 0:14:46.129,0:14:50.509 well will i remember when that word started to be used do they're just 0:14:50.509,0:14:53.020 blossom such a thing back in there 0:14:53.020,0:14:57.740 forties and fifties and uh... it was the well probably early mid sixties 0:14:57.740,0:15:00.170 people started to say over having me 0:15:00.170,0:15:02.370 we call it a fireside 0:15:02.370,0:15:05.060 and uh... 0:15:05.060,0:15:09.070 which has developed from there i think it's really a mormon construct 0:15:09.070,0:15:12.640 even though the concept of speaking by the side of the fire goes way back to 0:15:12.640,0:15:17.790 the pre electric days after or sure it's a it's a as a kind of a mormon thing i 0:15:17.790,0:15:19.230 think 0:15:19.230,0:15:24.550 i guess before that we we calling that late-term is probably more use you know 0:15:24.550,0:15:28.530 people use to gather together around the fire to talk right uh... i was kind of 0:15:28.530,0:15:29.730 the idea 0:15:29.730,0:15:30.759 um... 0:15:30.759,0:15:35.730 and uh... so they'll be a scorcher can pick up on that bend and turn that into 0:15:35.730,0:15:37.750 a meeting i actually i'm funny 0:15:37.750,0:15:41.290 i kind of funny anecdotes about that 0:15:41.290,0:15:44.630 uh... to share just briefly uh... i had a 0:15:44.630,0:15:45.240 uh... 0:15:45.240,0:15:47.890 a member of another faith and i'm a member 0:15:47.890,0:15:52.500 uh... friend that i have backed at at uh... b_y_u_ 0:15:52.500,0:15:54.050 and i invited him 0:15:54.050,0:15:57.640 to off fireside it was going to be uh... 0:15:57.640,0:15:59.500 on sunday evening 0:15:59.500,0:16:04.340 and i said yeah come in and he was all excited and and uh... she wanted to come 0:16:04.340,0:16:08.310 in supporting and we will know more about the church and everything and 0:16:08.310,0:16:13.890 and then sure enough he he arrived and uh... jeans and a half and he was ready 0:16:13.890,0:16:15.470 to build the bonfires 0:16:15.470,0:16:17.340 problem 0:16:17.340,0:16:18.660 kind of 0:16:18.660,0:16:23.890 uh... i i i didn't quite prepare him for that experience 0:16:23.890,0:16:26.580 uh... and so if he thought you know we're going to we're gonna build 0:16:26.580,0:16:29.159 bonfires and talk around the bonfire guest 0:16:29.159,0:16:33.319 uh... which isn't quite well you know what we have in mind but i think it's 0:16:33.319,0:16:36.500 probably a good analogy with uh... with the temple 0:16:36.500,0:16:39.389 when we talk about the temple talladega for them 0:16:39.389,0:16:41.110 what others of 0:16:41.110,0:16:42.710 uh... a public face 0:16:42.710,0:16:45.140 think about when we see cumple 0:16:45.140,0:16:48.720 and that's kind of one of the reasons why we're doing this uh... tonight and 0:16:48.720,0:16:51.009 hopefully uh... if this works out to him 0:16:51.009,0:16:54.570 is a good thing we could continue to do it alone in the future kinda 0:16:54.570,0:16:55.739 described 0:16:55.739,0:16:57.400 uh... and discussed 0:16:57.400,0:17:00.830 what it is about the time for that so special 0:17:00.830,0:17:03.430 uh... through the obvious church 0:17:03.430,0:17:07.240 uh... and if you are a hard cock trimming 0:17:07.240,0:17:12.529 i mean it's music going there for second wasn't on it 0:17:12.529,0:17:16.289 so we hope this uh... this will be an opportunity not only for members but 0:17:16.289,0:17:18.790 uh... members of other papers even uh... 0:17:18.790,0:17:23.199 that might be able to listen to these afire sides in laurel level a bit more 0:17:23.199,0:17:24.940 about where were coming from 0:17:24.940,0:17:27.000 in terms of our temple tradition 0:17:27.000,0:17:29.909 uh... and why we have a temple and what is uh... 0:17:29.909,0:17:31.580 what is cumple worship 0:17:31.580,0:17:35.820 uh... why is it so important to us those sorts of questions and and history of 0:17:35.820,0:17:37.770 temples theirs 0:17:37.770,0:17:38.960 an amazing 0:17:38.960,0:17:40.090 rich 0:17:40.090,0:17:41.820 history and heritage 0:17:41.820,0:17:43.510 of temple worship 0:17:43.510,0:17:46.750 going back to the beginning of recorded history 0:17:46.750,0:17:50.320 and it's really quite fascinating when you start getting into it and and 0:17:50.320,0:17:52.140 learning about it now and uh... 0:17:52.140,0:17:53.320 studying it 0:17:53.320,0:17:54.870 so we hope to 0:17:54.870,0:17:55.860 uh... 0:17:55.860,0:18:00.800 on surface a lot of that and talk about it and you know how does that relate to 0:18:00.800,0:18:04.390 to the temple today and that sort of thing 0:18:04.390,0:18:09.649 some some members whom who might uh... view this might be able to worried 0:18:09.649,0:18:11.270 but i can see that happening 0:18:11.270,0:18:13.120 uh... that they might uh... 0:18:13.120,0:18:16.990 sailor no uh... they're talking about the temple 0:18:16.990,0:18:17.720 hospice 0:18:17.720,0:18:19.559 this isn't a good thing 0:18:19.559,0:18:23.280 uh... but no need to worry uh... 0:18:23.280,0:18:26.070 i think were were in good hands here 0:18:26.070,0:18:29.700 i does want to share the stiff a couple our quotes 0:18:29.700,0:18:30.910 about the temple 0:18:30.910,0:18:34.390 uh... and talking about the couple specifically selinux 0:18:34.390,0:18:38.000 we know what we're doing what when where we're going here i'm probably one of the 0:18:38.000,0:18:43.670 best quotes is by uh... president boyd k packer in one of the best uh... 0:18:43.670,0:18:46.730 lamarca type by most popular 0:18:46.730,0:18:49.180 uh... books about the temple 0:18:49.180,0:18:55.030 i called the holy temple uh... again but boy yuki packard it in that book are all 0:18:55.030,0:18:56.789 this quote here 0:18:56.789,0:19:01.570 from the book he says uh... quote our reluctance to speak of the sacred temple 0:19:01.570,0:19:02.860 ordinances 0:19:02.860,0:19:03.500 is not 0:19:03.500,0:19:07.170 anyway an attempt to make them seem more mysterious 0:19:07.170,0:19:11.120 slow to encourage improper curiosity about them 0:19:11.120,0:19:13.110 they're kept confidential 0:19:13.110,0:19:16.530 lest they be given to those who are unprepared 0:19:16.530,0:19:18.080 there are some blessings 0:19:18.080,0:19:21.820 which can be split be bestowed only in the words temple 0:19:21.820,0:19:24.760 and we do not talk of them outside the temple 0:19:24.760,0:19:29.330 we are not free to discuss the temple ordinances and ceremonies 0:19:29.330,0:19:33.090 without the spiritual atmosphere of the temple itself and without the within us 0:19:33.090,0:19:36.289 and preparation required of those who go there 0:19:36.289,0:19:39.820 the temple ceremonies would not be quickly understood and might be quite 0:19:39.820,0:19:41.810 misunderstood 0:19:41.810,0:19:44.890 and then here's the here's the key points he says 0:19:44.890,0:19:47.620 while we cannot discuss in detail 0:19:47.620,0:19:50.270 the temple ordinances and ceremonies 0:19:50.270,0:19:52.170 their is much 0:19:52.170,0:19:54.610 we can discuss in this book 0:19:54.610,0:19:59.580 and we will and that's in the very the very first uh... chapter i believe uh... 0:19:59.580,0:20:01.460 of the holy temple uh... 0:20:01.460,0:20:05.520 and then he goes on of course the rest of the book talking about the doctrines 0:20:05.520,0:20:07.350 and principles in history 0:20:07.350,0:20:09.460 and that the great richness 0:20:09.460,0:20:12.120 um... of the of the temple 0:20:12.120,0:20:14.240 and so yes there are 0:20:14.240,0:20:19.290 certain things about the temple we can discuss i i wouldn't ever who want to 0:20:19.290,0:20:24.510 start talking in detail about the temple it's not uh... not appropriate there 0:20:24.510,0:20:29.320 i take my covenants on my temple covenants very 0:20:29.320,0:20:31.980 uh... and they're not uh... they're not 0:20:31.980,0:20:36.429 supposed to be discussed outside of those secrets walls bob 0:20:36.429,0:20:40.600 but just like that president carter says there is much we can discuss 0:20:40.600,0:20:43.770 that doesn't go into detail about are 0:20:43.770,0:20:47.409 modern temple our rights 0:20:47.409,0:20:52.130 uh... for example we can talk a lot about history of of uh... of temples 0:20:52.130,0:20:54.929 throughout history much in the same way that you mid-week 0:20:54.929,0:20:55.659 did 0:20:55.659,0:20:58.309 uh... in during much of his career 0:20:58.309,0:21:00.099 um... and speaking of headway 0:21:00.099,0:21:01.070 passionately 0:21:01.070,0:21:06.060 uh... i have a another quote here from q nobly add that i think is relevant here 0:21:06.060,0:21:08.490 he said arm 0:21:08.490,0:21:09.710 quote what 0:21:09.710,0:21:11.360 what the mormons like best 0:21:11.360,0:21:14.909 about their temples as the obligation of secrecy 0:21:14.909,0:21:16.950 that exonerates them 0:21:16.950,0:21:18.759 from ever having to speak 0:21:18.759,0:21:20.710 and hence to think 0:21:20.710,0:21:25.440 about what they have learned by the ordinances and teachings 0:21:25.440,0:21:27.300 so strictly our 0:21:27.300,0:21:32.020 or are they in observing the confidential nature of those teachings 0:21:32.020,0:21:33.580 that may for the most part 0:21:33.580,0:21:38.580 scrupulously avoid dropping so much as i can't outsiders by putting any of them 0:21:38.580,0:21:40.590 into practice 0:21:40.590,0:21:42.480 uh... and quote that's 0:21:42.480,0:21:46.580 that's that's peer in there doing their fifty if you ask me 0:21:46.580,0:21:48.970 that is vintage deadly backpack 0:21:48.970,0:21:49.879 uh... bryce 0:21:49.879,0:21:53.980 yes go ahead hav i'd just had a call from gary he's back 0:21:53.980,0:21:57.400 event that he would like to uh... 0:21:57.400,0:22:01.860 coming and if you can send him at the station systems computer 0:22:01.860,0:22:05.980 uh... what what is his uh... is he signed up on google plus 0:22:05.980,0:22:10.490 he has signed up on google homeless what is his uh... something with him on uh... 0:22:10.490,0:22:12.990 in almaty sign up with 0:22:12.990,0:22:15.070 gary 0:22:15.070,0:22:17.020 what is the 0:22:17.020,0:22:23.620 email address you used when you signed up on google plus 0:22:23.620,0:22:28.120 the man 0:22:28.120,0:22:31.159 emo whole hyatt katie eleven 0:22:31.159,0:22:33.080 have but is it 0:22:33.080,0:22:36.010 option emails dot com 0:22:36.010,0:22:39.640 and all i care lebanon jeanette hall hai k k 0:22:39.640,0:22:41.840 arcade level 0:22:41.840,0:22:46.480 and alexei eleven demo whole i k h 0:22:46.480,0:22:52.169 enlightened saying them at gmail dot com 0:22:52.169,0:22:53.690 every are okay 0:22:53.690,0:22:58.590 so gary you should be getting an education 0:22:58.590,0:23:00.650 and then you just 0:23:00.650,0:23:02.899 you just click in 0:23:02.899,0:23:05.580 ep i just sent the invite 0:23:05.580,0:23:08.360 have you recieved the invite carry 0:23:08.360,0:23:15.360 sir 0:23:18.170,0:23:20.280 disorder interruption gentleman 0:23:20.280,0:23:21.899 all it's alright whom 0:23:21.899,0:23:25.550 i think we definitely want gary anderson and all of us 0:23:25.550,0:23:28.620 uh... while he is uh... well he's 0:23:28.620,0:23:32.900 finding the link their perhaps i could do a a short day intro 0:23:32.900,0:23:34.320 gary 0:23:34.320,0:23:37.990 while he's coming in jimmy 0:23:37.990,0:23:40.580 darien endure 0:23:40.580,0:23:44.610 this is the kind of a bio here on the people carry amak 0:23:44.610,0:23:46.600 gerry mine 0:23:46.600,0:23:49.830 all right 0:23:49.830,0:23:51.940 well what do you go to 0:23:51.940,0:23:58.940 plus dot google dot com 0:23:59.330,0:24:03.870 narratives definitely helpful appears abha start google dot com and login you 0:24:03.870,0:24:08.160 what you want if you want to get on the internet and go to plus peel u_s_ dot 0:24:08.160,0:24:15.160 google dot com 0:24:15.160,0:24:17.230 asta 0:24:17.230,0:24:19.250 blushed 0:24:19.250,0:24:21.360 p_r_ u_s_ dot googled 0:24:21.360,0:24:24.720 dot com 0:24:24.720,0:24:31.720 mhm 0:24:33.300,0:24:39.370 leader we he's there and places to hit use at post dot google dot com invited 0:24:39.370,0:24:40.530 in right now 0:24:40.530,0:24:45.570 soon the invite initiative gerry there's a little window pop up 0:24:45.570,0:24:48.920 that uh... invites you to 0:24:48.920,0:24:55.920 could click conjoined 0:25:14.690,0:25:17.840 do you see anything 0:25:17.840,0:25:20.990 human 0:25:20.990,0:25:27.990 if you can see you that's a start and 0:25:33.580,0:25:37.560 btw 0:25:37.560,0:25:40.820 you might need to go back to all of those uh... permission settings has been 0:25:40.820,0:25:43.100 just a zillion dead-heat 0:25:43.100,0:25:45.429 uh... up in the 0:25:45.429,0:25:48.600 up in the upper left-hand corner good uh... might or might read about gary 0:25:48.600,0:25:50.860 through this and you do the intro 0:25:50.860,0:25:56.860 okay thanks 0:25:56.860,0:26:02.650 uh... cell has us and night here on the academy for temple studies website is a 0:26:02.650,0:26:06.230 shore bio about gary anderson his uh... joining our 0:26:06.230,0:26:11.309 our discussion as we speak uh... walking through all the technical hurdles 0:26:11.309,0:26:15.750 to get in here uh... deaf or not an easy thing 0:26:15.750,0:26:19.640 well will uh... over the special there but i i do wanna introducing here as it 0:26:19.640,0:26:20.650 says here 0:26:20.650,0:26:22.270 uh... there's one logan 0:26:22.270,0:26:26.190 uh... bred to be a degree at uh... utah state 0:26:26.190,0:26:29.600 and political science online a russian 0:26:29.600,0:26:34.090 you received this commission has a second lieutenant in the u_s_ army 0:26:34.090,0:26:39.809 after serving as a commander of the r_o_t_c_ detachment 0:26:39.809,0:26:42.970 i guess i'll just keep waiting upon graduation he was accepted into law 0:26:42.970,0:26:44.960 school at university of utah 0:26:44.960,0:26:46.409 and worked in 0:26:46.409,0:26:47.980 gubernatorial 0:26:47.980,0:26:49.680 uh... campaign one summer 0:26:49.680,0:26:52.320 and then the next year of the law clerk at the attorney general's office 0:26:52.320,0:26:55.660 promising his law degree he took the bar examination 0:26:55.660,0:26:58.870 and while waiting the results completed officer training 0:26:58.870,0:26:59.950 in indiana 0:26:59.950,0:27:03.419 successfully passing utah bar exam he was hired by the law firm of hilliard 0:27:03.419,0:27:07.409 and gonna logan utah where he has practiced since that time specializing 0:27:07.409,0:27:09.840 in business and state planning pension law 0:27:09.840,0:27:14.280 the firms now known this career anderson and wilson 0:27:14.280,0:27:17.970 let's see how we're doing here 0:27:17.970,0:27:20.830 looks like he's still working on it 0:27:20.830,0:27:27.020 ct 0:27:27.020,0:27:30.340 uh... he has been a member of a more women are history association for more 0:27:30.340,0:27:34.350 than twenty years and has presented papers on cache valley history 0:27:34.350,0:27:36.990 we offer the paprika logan's historic main street 0:27:36.990,0:27:40.320 that is distributed to the nurse to acquaint them with the history of logan 0:27:40.320,0:27:41.350 utah 0:27:41.350,0:27:45.500 he also helped produce his uh... historical pieces on logan canyon 0:27:45.500,0:27:48.289 recently worked on joint effort to produce the 0:27:48.289,0:27:49.519 cache valley heritage 0:27:49.519,0:27:51.429 driving poor and map 0:27:51.429,0:27:55.210 this transient has shared his expertise as a an attorney in many different civic 0:27:55.210,0:27:58.490 passengers including appointments to the logan city probable or 0:27:58.490,0:28:01.600 an assault para palace of fine arts advisory board 0:28:01.600,0:28:05.370 is a founding member of the couple arts alliance and the utah fistful 0:28:05.370,0:28:06.690 opera company 0:28:06.690,0:28:10.420 and was instrumental in the renovation of the uh... ellen eccles theater he 0:28:10.420,0:28:13.280 returned alone in nineteen ninety eight after serving as president of the russia 0:28:13.280,0:28:16.480 saint petersburg mission of the church of jesus christ 0:28:16.480,0:28:20.180 a lot of the status or call me plus the more of history 0:28:20.180,0:28:24.380 and is presently serving on the board at of the american west heritage foundation 0:28:24.380,0:28:27.260 and the cash valley regional council 0:28:27.260,0:28:31.760 is has been to cheryl and over two five children 0:28:31.760,0:28:32.910 saw that's 0:28:32.910,0:28:36.240 not scaring anderson one uh... who were trying to help 0:28:36.240,0:28:42.880 get into our conversation here and as you can see there op on the uh... 0:28:42.880,0:28:46.110 on the temple academy for temple study site 0:28:46.110,0:28:46.950 uh... 0:28:46.950,0:28:49.550 she is one of the presenters at that conference 0:28:49.550,0:28:51.870 uh... looking forward to that 0:28:51.870,0:28:58.120 uh... and i think if i a switch over here to the schedule 0:28:58.120,0:29:00.130 agencies he will be giving the welcome 0:29:00.130,0:29:01.460 uh... in fact 0:29:01.460,0:29:05.980 to the conference so he's been instrumental and no i having worked with 0:29:05.980,0:29:07.100 uh... 0:29:07.100,0:29:08.070 uh... 0:29:08.070,0:29:09.480 rakesh cubicle 0:29:09.480,0:29:13.820 uh... vent that he's been instrumental in getting this conference organized and 0:29:13.820,0:29:15.970 started and and and going 0:29:15.970,0:29:20.039 on then we sure appreciate uh... all that because i i 0:29:20.039,0:29:22.330 i for one of the and very excited 0:29:22.330,0:29:23.690 uh... about this 0:29:23.690,0:29:26.960 this conference are coming up in the pop over 0:29:26.960,0:29:28.730 roster 0:29:28.730,0:29:32.780 tonight valujet ask you a favorite ok short 0:29:32.780,0:29:37.070 what i'm going to ask you to do is to call gary okay 0:29:37.070,0:29:40.070 and try to get him on because i'm not there 0:29:40.070,0:29:44.340 capable of doing this ok um... let me give you his 0:29:44.340,0:29:45.400 gary 0:29:45.400,0:29:47.610 should i give him your um... 0:29:47.610,0:29:50.360 your uh... mobile home 0:29:50.360,0:29:55.640 kiki let us know ninja eric 0:29:55.640,0:29:59.210 you can you can you can see the four of us 0:29:59.210,0:30:03.120 or popped 0:30:03.120,0:30:08.940 locate you know if you didn't shed a associate criminal negligence video 0:30:08.940,0:30:13.630 because coming out of there you are here you are doing it now up at the top 0:30:13.630,0:30:15.950 there's a microphone 0:30:15.950,0:30:21.060 and if it has a slash through it and it's hard 0:30:21.060,0:30:23.700 many macalester college and there 0:30:23.700,0:30:27.680 the israeli callout 0:30:27.680,0:30:29.110 later 0:30:29.110,0:30:33.249 welcome gary add to this uh... temple study uh... 0:30:33.249,0:30:34.500 google 0:30:34.500,0:30:38.900 hangouts on air discussion is kind of a long picked up 0:30:38.900,0:30:41.130 a long term for excess 0:30:41.130,0:30:43.810 louise we sure appreciate you being here 0:30:43.810,0:30:45.920 and making it in my eye 0:30:45.920,0:30:47.500 you even uh... 0:30:47.500,0:30:48.700 uh... in late 0:30:48.700,0:30:51.940 we are sure welcome to have you 0:30:51.940,0:30:55.060 we kind of a party introduce you but i don't know if you wanna say just a 0:30:55.060,0:30:57.900 couple words about uh... about uh... 0:30:57.900,0:31:03.010 where you come from and and and what your interest is in the temple 0:31:03.010,0:31:08.590 he he's read us the biotech is on that he academy for careful study society ok 0:31:08.590,0:31:10.270 so they know that much 0:31:10.270,0:31:14.320 well actually i just came from a temple st discussion by family we've been 0:31:14.320,0:31:15.489 reading yet 0:31:15.489,0:31:17.159 u_n_ butler's book show 0:31:17.159,0:31:19.280 player graciously s 0:31:19.280,0:31:20.630 all right 0:31:20.630,0:31:23.820 i don't know if you'd heard about that has been has opened my eyes and ears and 0:31:23.820,0:31:25.880 works in his book of mormon 0:31:25.880,0:31:27.390 about that 0:31:27.390,0:31:28.770 wonderful 0:31:28.770,0:31:32.609 i think australia be there looked a little bit late at night 0:31:32.609,0:31:34.690 orchestrated 0:31:34.690,0:31:36.560 uh... 0:31:36.560,0:31:37.470 listen in 0:31:37.470,0:31:41.050 e actually i uh... just wedded to everybody to tell me what your neighbor 0:31:41.050,0:31:42.269 and then we'll go from there 0:31:42.269,0:31:46.070 cattle yeah we can do it surely try again for are 0:31:46.070,0:31:50.330 i'm bryce came in under the founding editor of temple study dot com uh... who 0:31:50.330,0:31:51.590 won the kinda 0:31:51.590,0:31:54.200 put this thing together 0:31:54.200,0:31:58.360 and of course you know uh... rick 0:31:58.360,0:32:00.490 here we have steve breed 0:32:00.490,0:32:01.560 uh... 0:32:01.560,0:32:04.700 nor do i shortage or get a view st 0:32:04.700,0:32:10.320 show that i'm uh... graphic designer truly needing las vegas on a 0:32:10.320,0:32:14.470 uh... do cross temple city several years ago and 0:32:14.470,0:32:17.750 you just want the content of love talking about the tells will learn about 0:32:17.750,0:32:19.610 going there and 0:32:19.610,0:32:22.390 everything so i'm here on he wrote mostly 0:32:22.390,0:32:26.960 uh... i i'd really like i said to learn from all of you guys here 0:32:26.960,0:32:28.210 you know there's a 0:32:28.210,0:32:32.460 collection of knowledge in a just want to learn from other people sucking 0:32:32.460,0:32:35.269 himself 0:32:35.269,0:32:38.210 welfare but they have it steve 0:32:38.210,0:32:38.929 tenia 0:32:38.929,0:32:42.240 could you do just a quick uh... interview as well 0:32:42.240,0:32:48.520 assure him country which is the reason is still a hook a little uh... and uh... 0:32:48.520,0:32:51.960 there in the book of uh... more than live sector 0:32:51.960,0:32:56.570 and another crystalline cult favorite to look 0:32:56.570,0:32:58.710 miracle great website 0:32:58.710,0:33:03.590 great-great websites sure appreciate having on the teddy here with us 0:33:03.590,0:33:04.730 all right 0:33:04.730,0:33:09.210 so sorry for the uh... hiatus their but uh... really we really wanted very 0:33:09.210,0:33:15.450 enormous a discussion because he does not know a lot about the temple as well 0:33:15.450,0:33:17.370 and is a close friend of work 0:33:17.370,0:33:21.100 and so we would definitely wanted him and so we uh... 0:33:21.100,0:33:23.929 appreciate uh... here's your patience with us 0:33:23.929,0:33:28.299 now we are what we're talking about before we brought in that gary was um... 0:33:28.299,0:33:33.340 about this fact bit there are a lot of things about the counsel that we should 0:33:33.340,0:33:34.110 not 0:33:34.110,0:33:37.220 be discussing outside of the ample 0:33:37.220,0:33:40.910 in fact doing so would profane those things and we'll talk a little bit about 0:33:40.910,0:33:42.940 you know what the differences between 0:33:42.940,0:33:44.570 the sacred in the propane 0:33:44.570,0:33:47.510 uh... you know sacred stays inside the temple 0:33:47.510,0:33:48.850 it's not taken out 0:33:48.850,0:33:51.270 uh... of the temple 0:33:51.270,0:33:54.050 into the propane space uh... 0:33:54.050,0:33:57.550 and uh... so talk a little bit about that than what president packer set on 0:33:57.550,0:33:58.820 the subject 0:33:58.820,0:34:02.090 uh... but then we also know that the president packer has said that there is 0:34:02.090,0:34:07.290 much we can discuss and then he goes on to this talk a lot about the temple m 0:34:07.290,0:34:09.269 his book the holy temple 0:34:09.269,0:34:14.729 and so it there are many things of principles doctrines artistry inches 0:34:14.729,0:34:15.669 temples 0:34:15.669,0:34:20.410 uh... that bizarre perfectly uh... variegated to this uh... 0:34:20.410,0:34:24.719 discussed learn about study and which are quite quite 0:34:24.719,0:34:26.970 quite uh... allot uh... 0:34:26.970,0:34:28.290 to our modern-day 0:34:28.290,0:34:31.659 a couple of some help us understand more about the temple 0:34:31.659,0:34:35.719 on the show quote permanently i will repeat back on but there is another one 0:34:35.719,0:34:37.889 here by president benson where he 0:34:37.889,0:34:41.349 also expresses the sentiment that we need to do more 0:34:41.349,0:34:46.119 uh... in terms of talking about the temple and and studying it and learning 0:34:46.119,0:34:48.219 about it 0:34:48.219,0:34:51.639 so obviously that presidents and said this quote 0:34:51.639,0:34:54.319 because of the temples sacredness 0:34:54.319,0:34:57.669 we are sometimes reluctant to say anything 0:34:57.669,0:35:01.779 about the temple to our children and grandchildren 0:35:01.779,0:35:06.240 as a consequence many do not developing a real desire to go to the temple 0:35:06.240,0:35:11.220 well when they'd go in there they do so without much background to prepare them 0:35:11.220,0:35:16.259 for the obligations and covenants they enter into 0:35:16.259,0:35:21.319 gems close quote so that's president benson on you know uh... who was a 0:35:21.319,0:35:26.660 profit majority president of the church who said that weekend 0:35:26.660,0:35:29.239 we can take uh... 0:35:29.239,0:35:31.599 are 0:35:31.599,0:35:33.599 i don't know what the word is 0:35:33.599,0:35:36.809 tar 0:35:36.809,0:35:40.869 not speaking of the temple to such an extent that 0:35:40.869,0:35:44.259 we don't even teacher to our own children 0:35:44.259,0:35:45.889 on expects 0:35:45.889,0:35:48.529 that's a kind of sad i think it 0:35:48.529,0:35:52.579 i think the word you're looking for his reticence 0:35:52.579,0:35:56.459 uh... if i may have just a couple of things 0:35:56.459,0:36:01.769 in a discussion with one of the general authorities on this very subject 0:36:01.769,0:36:07.809 he said to me really there are only two things we cannot talk about 0:36:07.809,0:36:10.239 we cannot talk about 0:36:10.239,0:36:14.479 in public the marks on the garments and what they mean and we cannot talk about 0:36:14.479,0:36:17.119 the science of tokens 0:36:17.119,0:36:20.209 other than that ifor judicious 0:36:20.209,0:36:22.949 all the rest of it we can talk about 0:36:22.949,0:36:27.249 uh... in a enough solomon sacred way 0:36:27.249,0:36:29.819 president mckay at gave a talk 0:36:29.819,0:36:32.409 to outgoing missionaries 0:36:32.409,0:36:36.519 this was in nineteen oh that was nineteen forty two 0:36:36.519,0:36:40.329 missionaries for all gathered in the chapel i think in the old salt lake 0:36:40.329,0:36:41.739 temple annex 0:36:41.739,0:36:43.899 doesn't it look easy 0:36:43.899,0:36:47.249 and he gave them a talk about the temple and he said when i first went to the 0:36:47.249,0:36:49.129 template totally unprepared 0:36:49.129,0:36:51.109 and i thought it was very weird 0:36:51.109,0:36:56.049 i said so i i want to explain to use it as a very good talk of charts on the net 0:36:56.049,0:37:00.459 someplace 0:37:00.459,0:37:03.689 but he made it clear that there are things that can be discussed in quite a 0:37:03.689,0:37:04.879 few of them 0:37:04.879,0:37:10.430 if we're not prepared temple chi is so different 0:37:10.430,0:37:13.979 from anything wellness today 0:37:13.979,0:37:15.259 that uh... 0:37:15.259,0:37:19.889 uh... unless people are prepared for they just find it strange 0:37:19.889,0:37:24.299 i get it i get a lesson learned to cope with three sundays ago now with thirteen 0:37:24.299,0:37:25.479 which is they are 0:37:25.479,0:37:27.459 clearly temple text 0:37:27.459,0:37:28.859 and uh... in 0:37:28.859,0:37:33.419 practicing my remarks and subject to substitute that day in sunday school 0:37:33.419,0:37:36.899 i went to the same issue of what can we talk about in the temple let me read to 0:37:36.899,0:37:39.329 you about what james e talents and about 0:37:39.329,0:37:40.689 what goes on temple 0:37:40.689,0:37:43.289 there must be worked out of the war 0:37:43.289,0:37:46.729 the template download as administered a modern temples includes a recital of the 0:37:46.729,0:37:49.469 most prominent eventually create period 0:37:49.469,0:37:52.379 the condition of our first parents in the garden of eden 0:37:52.379,0:37:56.359 disobedience in consequence expulsion from that blissful about 0:37:56.359,0:38:00.589 their condition in the one hundred world have been killed by labor in sweat 0:38:00.589,0:38:04.119 by redemption by which the great transgression maybe atoned 0:38:04.119,0:38:06.219 the period of the great apostasy 0:38:06.219,0:38:09.839 restoration of the gospel flow sanction powers and garages 0:38:09.839,0:38:13.069 absolutely indispensable condition personal purity and devotion to the 0:38:13.069,0:38:15.970 right to present life in strict compliance 0:38:15.970,0:38:18.289 with gospel requirements 0:38:18.289,0:38:21.709 and then present benson talk because i was going to talk about the order of the 0:38:21.709,0:38:24.889 son of god which is talked about an hour thirteen 0:38:24.889,0:38:28.949 he said uh... to enter into the order of the son of god is equivalent to dave 0:38:28.949,0:38:33.699 entering into the full of smoke as the priesthood which is only received in the 0:38:33.699,0:38:35.809 house of the lord 0:38:35.809,0:38:39.479 now if you put that together with what we learn from our marker about the 0:38:39.479,0:38:43.799 temple and margaret is a good friend of the rex and i 0:38:43.799,0:38:46.160 your there's no what you can talk about 0:38:46.160,0:38:50.529 in the date that goes on the temple just by reading margaret barker cape 0:38:50.529,0:38:54.999 literally she's not even a member of the church may remember the church 0:38:54.999,0:38:58.869 and uh... i was hurt but we're talking today about uh... 0:38:58.869,0:39:02.949 uh... there's a reference uh... don bradley talked about a reference in in 0:39:02.949,0:39:06.999 but the warm about ether on in the fare conference couple days ago 0:39:06.999,0:39:10.390 any jackie about the hand going through the mail 0:39:10.390,0:39:13.649 well ok it's right there in the book of mormon number one the number two notes 0:39:13.649,0:39:17.939 on the front page it's on the cover of two murder workers box 0:39:17.939,0:39:19.140 now wool 0:39:19.140,0:39:22.689 idea i agree with recruiters 0:39:22.689,0:39:28.259 if his on his work judiciously and we were not uh... 0:39:28.259,0:39:33.239 doing anything that's uh... out of the ordinary in terms of just talking about 0:39:33.239,0:39:34.859 but actually out there 0:39:34.859,0:39:38.420 and i and i'm not talking about going on the internet and finding the temple 0:39:38.420,0:39:42.339 ordinances that that holds the ceremony i'm not talking about that i'm talking 0:39:42.339,0:39:45.119 about legitimate scholarly 0:39:45.119,0:39:47.019 stuff that's out there 0:39:47.019,0:39:48.839 and there 0:39:48.839,0:39:50.969 i've learned a i've learned 0:39:50.969,0:39:55.909 a lot more frankly from margaret barker about the temple never did before that 0:39:55.909,0:39:58.369 met there just isn't stupid that 0:39:58.369,0:39:59.989 hahaha 0:39:59.989,0:40:04.079 just said just uh... let our viewers know a little bit uh... we're talking 0:40:04.079,0:40:09.389 about murder barker she has a methodist scholar who who lives in uh... 0:40:09.389,0:40:12.799 in england where this where what city and england 0:40:12.799,0:40:16.519 will join us eighty it's little chemical here a wash 0:40:16.519,0:40:19.660 el carro watchdog assured i've been there to our house and she is a 0:40:19.660,0:40:20.840 wonderful 0:40:20.840,0:40:22.019 wonderfully 0:40:22.019,0:40:25.330 wonderful it's just an issue just down the street from the methodist 0:40:25.330,0:40:27.170 opt church 0:40:27.170,0:40:31.590 sophia's which is uh... a methodist scholar who has come up a recently 0:40:31.590,0:40:37.170 uh... quite a bit him in l bs studies because of a very unique insights into 0:40:37.170,0:40:41.929 the bible specially the old testament but really all old testament 0:40:41.929,0:40:43.839 trying to reconstruct 0:40:43.839,0:40:46.259 what may have been lost 0:40:46.259,0:40:50.809 in a very very early periods of the old testament particularly dealing with 0:40:50.809,0:40:51.500 uh... 0:40:51.500,0:40:54.419 such subjects as much as a victim in etc 0:40:54.419,0:40:59.089 uh... subjects that uh... obviously you worrying that uh... 0:40:59.089,0:41:03.319 very interestingly in our years as as latter-day saints 0:41:03.319,0:41:05.849 um... and she has dealt with back 0:41:05.849,0:41:09.909 uh... subject in a very interesting way and we'll talk i'm sure more about her 0:41:09.909,0:41:11.580 work as we go through 0:41:11.580,0:41:12.589 this book 0:41:12.589,0:41:14.209 uh... 0:41:14.209,0:41:16.229 temple were shocked 0:41:16.229,0:41:21.049 also you know we have been the hope of the duration talking i went up to date 0:41:21.049,0:41:22.259 ok taka 0:41:22.259,0:41:22.950 abroad 0:41:22.950,0:41:24.739 uh... it is online 0:41:24.739,0:41:29.909 if you will go go up a little mckay salt lake temple annex 0:41:29.909,0:41:32.769 nineteen forty one 0:41:32.769,0:41:36.519 uh... you pull it up but it's it's to b_y_u_ idaho site 0:41:36.519,0:41:38.069 okay but it's odd 0:41:38.069,0:41:40.909 lookout um... 0:41:40.909,0:41:42.109 too too 0:41:42.109,0:41:45.799 kind of dr one more day lead to this we can talk about temple 0:41:45.799,0:41:47.989 okay he ended up 0:41:47.989,0:41:53.359 h_ h_ bancroft history if you talk which was published in eighteen ninety 0:41:53.359,0:41:55.239 for 0:41:55.239,0:41:58.240 he has a description of the mormon 0:41:58.240,0:41:59.729 temple ceremony 0:41:59.729,0:42:01.839 which is one of the most 0:42:01.839,0:42:05.739 uh... 0:42:05.739,0:42:07.129 girl 0:42:07.129,0:42:08.809 i've ever seen 0:42:08.809,0:42:12.229 and this is a book that was published under the auspices of the first 0:42:12.229,0:42:16.839 presidency for the first presents he sent out adds to all latter-day saints 0:42:16.839,0:42:17.960 of the newspaper saying 0:42:17.960,0:42:22.059 we encourage you to buy this book 0:42:22.059,0:42:26.069 uh... and it's a it's a very detailed 0:42:26.069,0:42:29.500 presentation on what just what that bothered them it is so 0:42:29.500,0:42:35.059 piston they discuss arrogant is called industry of utah 0:42:35.059,0:42:37.459 h aged and craft 0:42:37.459,0:42:41.159 bancroft was a professional historians wrote 0:42:41.159,0:42:46.339 industries of a lot of state several of other things so that the book is the 0:42:46.339,0:42:50.489 book is about of three three-and-a-half introspection 0:42:50.489,0:42:53.599 um... it's a standard old books 0:42:53.599,0:42:55.549 uh... it's been reprinted 0:42:55.549,0:43:00.270 but uh... you particularly brothers probably ought to just fine 0:43:00.270,0:43:04.440 them propagated like i say it's this morning i was surprised at how detailed 0:43:04.440,0:43:08.280 was now especially when i found out that this book at that advertise to the 0:43:08.280,0:43:13.190 public by the first presence wow so are interesting all its worth yeah thanks 0:43:13.190,0:43:15.219 for that rainy days 0:43:15.219,0:43:20.739 i've heard that there's still time that there was of some kind of quotation like 0:43:20.739,0:43:23.469 that that that this president feed it 0:43:23.469,0:43:27.469 had been ok within anne and you know accrued there 0:43:27.469,0:43:31.409 creditor to pull over done looking for that i don't think that the other 0:43:31.409,0:43:35.349 remember having what you're talking protected period 0:43:35.349,0:43:40.379 davin than any other corporate president mentioned your because it's helpful 0:43:40.379,0:43:44.889 because this is the issue that i was talking about in practicing my lesson 0:43:44.889,0:43:49.479 traded make sure that i was doing what was appropriate in sunday school 0:43:49.479,0:43:50.250 and 0:43:50.250,0:43:53.650 then making sure that people did feel comfortable as we talked about the 0:43:53.650,0:43:55.039 temple 0:43:55.039,0:43:56.439 allusions 0:43:56.439,0:43:57.669 in 0:43:57.669,0:44:02.259 dang thirty min anyway here's represent bentsen said everything we learn 0:44:02.259,0:44:06.579 in the holy places the temples is based on the scripture these teachings are 0:44:06.579,0:44:11.229 what the scriptures refer to as the mysteries of godliness gave me a copy of 0:44:11.229,0:44:14.619 it by the paralegals for the lord has given his promise 0:44:14.619,0:44:18.809 to his faithful in a medium servants now mayor snow the mysteries and peaceful 0:44:18.809,0:44:21.729 things that's and doctor james forty to sixty one 0:44:21.729,0:44:27.599 well ricochet this other book i'm going to try to find the records for this time 0:44:27.599,0:44:31.679 um... when president bentsen's where he said what i would hope that he would 0:44:31.679,0:44:35.389 talk to mike grandchildren about as far as the devils concerns 0:44:35.389,0:44:41.029 that the you get that have been considered your region interview 0:44:41.029,0:44:44.589 he said 0:44:44.589,0:44:46.549 absolutely uh... 0:44:46.549,0:44:47.769 i think 0:44:47.769,0:44:51.509 you know just generally speaking if if 0:44:51.509,0:44:54.899 you know where in tune with the spirit especially 0:44:54.899,0:44:56.029 um... 0:44:56.029,0:44:58.990 then i think he will know and 0:44:58.990,0:45:02.690 be able to pass the smell test when it comes to 0:45:02.690,0:45:06.199 whether or not we should be talking about something 0:45:06.199,0:45:09.089 i table one myself 0:45:09.089,0:45:13.529 don't like to really talk a lot about martin temple 0:45:13.529,0:45:15.400 uh... i do and you know 0:45:15.400,0:45:18.749 doctrines and principles and things like that 0:45:18.749,0:45:23.639 where i really like to study the temple is in is in the past 0:45:23.639,0:45:25.260 and like i said before 0:45:25.260,0:45:28.920 but studying and and this is exactly what you know we did 0:45:28.920,0:45:33.109 right uh... he brought up all of these very interesting 0:45:33.109,0:45:35.559 uh... parallels you call them 0:45:35.559,0:45:37.619 uh... with uh... what 0:45:37.619,0:45:39.539 happens to be 0:45:39.539,0:45:42.249 and they shed quite a bit a white 0:45:42.249,0:45:47.149 on our understanding without talking about the details of all of the actual 0:45:47.149,0:45:49.279 modern-day rights 0:45:49.279,0:45:52.900 you know so that that's a good example to follow uh... 0:45:52.900,0:45:54.380 deadly was the master 0:45:54.380,0:45:55.390 okay 0:45:55.390,0:45:57.839 absolutely 0:45:57.839,0:46:02.149 in van crossed if you can get your hands on it 0:46:02.149,0:46:08.279 page just three fifty seven and three fifty eight 0:46:08.279,0:46:09.469 wonderful 0:46:09.469,0:46:10.759 good to have a reference 0:46:10.759,0:46:14.579 in and i was sick in which you do see addressing that 0:46:14.579,0:46:18.079 honestly i never to talk about the promoters temple i just let people 0:46:18.079,0:46:23.139 resonate let me know when you are restarted 0:46:23.139,0:46:24.479 is is 0:46:24.479,0:46:25.939 historical 0:46:25.939,0:46:29.059 and then just uh... where people grow their own 0:46:29.059,0:46:32.569 assumptions from what you're saying if those who've been through the temple and 0:46:32.569,0:46:33.999 are sensitive to that 0:46:33.999,0:46:37.939 they know exactly what you're talking about prescribed leaders with neighbors 0:46:37.939,0:46:41.419 and that's when the belief that often he said you know the 0:46:41.419,0:46:45.030 endowed latter-day saints will know what i'm talking about here 0:46:45.030,0:46:47.919 unifi 0:46:47.919,0:46:49.429 earlier 0:46:49.429,0:46:53.490 all right well let's now that it's uh... normally thirty 0:46:53.490,0:46:55.430 should we jump into the texas 0:46:55.430,0:46:56.819 let's 0:46:56.819,0:46:58.549 uh... 0:46:58.549,0:47:01.819 but i think this has been a good introduction i think this is important 0:47:01.819,0:47:06.189 uh... to uh... to uh... lead viewers understand and no 0:47:06.189,0:47:09.219 yes there are certain things we shouldn't be talking about 0:47:09.219,0:47:16.219 uh... we we capital we uh... recognize that 0:47:16.719,0:47:18.389 but there is 0:47:18.389,0:47:22.419 yet still a lot we can talk about it so we should elect those things that we 0:47:22.419,0:47:26.299 know shouldn't talk about and the details of the ordinances and ceremonies 0:47:26.299,0:47:30.289 of our modern-day temple prevents us from studying the tampa learning more 0:47:30.289,0:47:32.680 about it and creasing understanding which 0:47:32.680,0:47:36.929 helps to build faith and so forth and in fact if we go into the tax 0:47:36.929,0:47:43.289 now um... of of temple worship surface is a book by andrew c scanner 0:47:43.289,0:47:44.059 um... 0:47:44.059,0:47:46.189 and uh... 0:47:46.189,0:47:48.329 i'd like to just do a quick 0:47:48.329,0:47:50.269 uh... 0:47:50.269,0:47:54.969 just a quick introductions burns book i read it up years ago cannot two thousand 0:47:54.969,0:47:56.329 seven 0:47:56.329,0:47:58.089 and uh... 0:47:58.089,0:48:02.259 hi i read it i thought it was very good in fact uh... i highlighted quite a bit 0:48:02.259,0:48:05.290 of that on when i went through it and i thought gee 0:48:05.290,0:48:08.299 touched on a lot of what really great points 0:48:08.299,0:48:12.369 or enchant and watermen everything in between 0:48:12.369,0:48:13.609 uh... quite 0:48:13.609,0:48:17.460 wide-ranging and i think it's because of his background he he's quite 0:48:17.460,0:48:19.399 knowledgeable offered 0:48:19.399,0:48:22.540 uh... and obvious read overall short bio here 0:48:22.540,0:48:24.729 uh... and you see scanner is a professor 0:48:24.729,0:48:28.899 of ancient scripture at brigham young university i was dean of the religious 0:48:28.899,0:48:30.569 educate 0:48:30.569,0:48:34.669 and the first executive director of you are using the link next month 0:48:34.669,0:48:36.259 scholarship 0:48:36.259,0:48:39.429 he holds a master's degrees in biblical hebrew 0:48:39.429,0:48:44.479 and jewish studies and a p_h_d_ in near eastern european history a special 0:48:44.479,0:48:46.789 specializing in judaism 0:48:46.789,0:48:49.739 he is the author or cooper 0:48:49.739,0:48:52.629 of over one hundred publications 0:48:52.629,0:48:53.849 so i can do this 0:48:53.849,0:48:57.409 give your background parenthesis killer who wrote this book 0:48:57.409,0:49:00.299 and uh... this is what it looks like 0:49:00.299,0:49:01.979 there's the cover 0:49:01.979,0:49:03.379 and uh... 0:49:03.379,0:49:05.069 let me show you 0:49:05.069,0:49:07.239 we're going to talk about me 0:49:07.239,0:49:09.759 you can see that there's my notes 0:49:09.759,0:49:11.029 for uh... here 0:49:11.029,0:49:13.589 for this 0:49:13.589,0:49:15.389 uh... as i was staying 0:49:15.389,0:49:16.319 uh... 0:49:16.319,0:49:20.899 dr skin actually introduces his book talking a little bit about the subject 0:49:20.899,0:49:24.769 of of what is alright to talk about 0:49:24.769,0:49:26.350 and and what's not to 0:49:26.350,0:49:30.969 and uh... obviously the first paragraph this volume touches on truths 0:49:30.969,0:49:32.650 that we make a leaner 0:49:32.650,0:49:35.700 from our experiences in the house of the lord 0:49:35.700,0:49:39.679 and which can bless our lives and strengthen our testimonies 0:49:39.679,0:49:44.309 so it just starting out right there he he notes how learning more about the 0:49:44.309,0:49:45.399 temple 0:49:45.399,0:49:49.499 can bless our lives and strengthen our testimony sepsis 0:49:49.499,0:49:53.139 now let's after one great blessing 0:49:53.139,0:49:57.569 doing this of studying the tampa learning more about it and i'm applying 0:49:57.569,0:50:00.679 of what we learned into our lives 0:50:00.679,0:50:04.619 uh... he goes on obviously it is not comprehensive 0:50:04.619,0:50:06.849 it does not reach in detail 0:50:06.849,0:50:09.889 about what happens in the temples of the lord 0:50:09.889,0:50:14.149 rather discusses the doctrines and principles on which temple worship is 0:50:14.149,0:50:15.249 founded 0:50:15.249,0:50:19.349 and the blessings the flow from temple worship 0:50:19.349,0:50:25.229 it came about as the culmination that and convergence of several developments 0:50:25.229,0:50:28.949 i thought that was interesting when i read that uh... because the temple self 0:50:28.949,0:50:31.499 really is a culmination convergence 0:50:31.499,0:50:34.389 of the gospel and love life 0:50:34.389,0:50:39.659 all coming together uh... it as the the pinnacle worry of of our worship in the 0:50:39.659,0:50:40.659 church 0:50:40.659,0:50:43.369 uh... and where were were all going 0:50:43.369,0:50:46.109 um... those are not going to have any comments 0:50:46.109,0:50:50.519 on on that opening statement there he's just he's just do that you said this is 0:50:50.519,0:50:52.439 what you can do and i just 0:50:52.439,0:50:55.900 markets really goes down one one one candle 0:50:55.900,0:51:00.279 casual working but you know that's available at waist lines are being 0:51:00.279,0:51:03.169 loaded coca breaker 0:51:03.169,0:51:04.529 but i want to get it 0:51:04.529,0:51:08.109 paragraph to no you know 0:51:08.109,0:51:10.989 and now you do it so it's good that 0:51:10.989,0:51:15.199 do you actually want to read that rick 0:51:15.199,0:51:19.189 more than a decade ago i began taking intensely about statements made by you 0:51:19.189,0:51:21.489 deadly regarding the temple 0:51:21.489,0:51:26.040 he had said profound things troops which have become a part of me 0:51:26.040,0:51:29.270 my own thoughts in my old work so their exact expressions 0:51:29.270,0:51:33.199 our original with him 0:51:33.199,0:51:36.209 keep reading or should i go off highs 0:51:36.209,0:51:40.619 you couldn't you can comment on anything you'd like rick has become the temple 0:51:40.619,0:51:42.779 isn't model of the universe 0:51:42.779,0:51:45.279 buffalo on a star 0:51:45.279,0:51:49.639 um... 0:51:49.639,0:51:52.709 what natalie's exact statement laws 0:51:52.709,0:51:54.369 isabel cleary 0:51:54.369,0:51:55.999 what makes a temple and 0:51:55.999,0:52:00.149 i'd our first time i read this i read it i went past it 0:52:00.149,0:52:02.700 when i came back and i think what is he said 0:52:02.700,0:52:03.790 saying here 0:52:03.790,0:52:04.989 i have known 0:52:04.989,0:52:07.359 brother doubly well enough 0:52:07.359,0:52:08.650 and followed him 0:52:08.650,0:52:10.139 long enough 0:52:10.139,0:52:13.869 and spent enough personal time with him 0:52:13.869,0:52:17.339 he doesn't just say throwaway things 0:52:17.339,0:52:18.989 but he says something 0:52:18.989,0:52:20.599 there's something in it 0:52:20.599,0:52:24.209 what makes a temple different from other buildings 0:52:24.209,0:52:25.609 is not 0:52:25.609,0:52:28.190 it's the sacredness 0:52:28.190,0:52:32.130 but its former and function 0:52:32.130,0:52:36.219 and i always thought you could just build a building make it nice 0:52:36.219,0:52:37.359 uh... 0:52:37.359,0:52:40.349 and then dedicated to became holy became a temple 0:52:40.349,0:52:41.569 and the police s 0:52:41.569,0:52:47.349 it's the sacredness has nothing to do with it is the form and function 0:52:47.349,0:52:53.019 now day continues businesses this is from his 0:52:53.019,0:52:55.579 probably seven or article in the temple 0:52:55.579,0:52:58.999 he was asked to write this article 0:52:58.999,0:53:03.849 for the dedication off-key temple in included nineteen fifty-eight 0:53:03.849,0:53:07.479 looked at what we call the london total to one of the chapel 0:53:07.479,0:53:11.439 he was asked to write this article it was published in the morning star 0:53:11.439,0:53:13.049 in april of nineteen 0:53:13.049,0:53:14.799 fifty-eight 0:53:14.799,0:53:18.380 so he says what makes a temple differ from other buildings is not a sacredness 0:53:18.380,0:53:20.449 its form and function 0:53:20.449,0:53:22.229 what is that for 0:53:22.229,0:53:25.989 we can't summarize a hundred studies of recent dated the formula 0:53:25.989,0:53:27.269 uh... temple 0:53:27.269,0:53:29.099 good or bad 0:53:29.099,0:53:35.209 is a scale model of the universe 0:53:35.209,0:53:37.659 and so many people now 0:53:37.659,0:53:39.839 use the word universe 0:53:39.839,0:53:41.079 as answer 0:53:41.079,0:53:42.460 concept hasn't 0:53:42.460,0:53:44.230 universal discourse 0:53:44.230,0:53:48.390 our personal universe of what we think annul that's not what i was talking 0:53:48.390,0:53:53.420 about he's talking about the actual physical cosmos 0:53:53.420,0:53:57.109 and he rails against people who try to spiritual eyes away 0:53:57.109,0:53:59.879 the physicality of picasso's 0:53:59.879,0:54:01.259 what is that before 0:54:01.259,0:54:03.310 we could summarize a hundred studies in that 0:54:03.310,0:54:05.419 formula temple good or bad 0:54:05.419,0:54:08.809 is a scale model of the universe 0:54:08.809,0:54:11.709 companies as the first mention of the word temple 0:54:11.709,0:54:12.989 if i borrow 0:54:12.989,0:54:16.769 jojoba designates a building specifically designed for interpreting 0:54:16.769,0:54:18.749 science in the heavens 0:54:18.749,0:54:24.049 and sort of observatory or what gets once bearings on the universe 0:54:24.049,0:54:25.429 uh... 0:54:25.429,0:54:28.809 and then he goes on talking about the stone 0:54:28.809,0:54:29.750 circles 0:54:29.750,0:54:31.609 holding blackstone edge 0:54:31.609,0:54:35.009 uh... places like a flurry 0:54:35.009,0:54:37.010 people actually work there 0:54:37.010,0:54:38.289 and took 0:54:38.289,0:54:42.520 astronomical sightings on the heavenly bodies and that his party 0:54:42.520,0:54:45.859 this may believe temple worship 0:54:45.859,0:54:48.499 the route to him in greek and latin 0:54:48.499,0:54:49.569 devotes a casting 0:54:49.569,0:54:52.589 or intersection of two logic right angles 0:54:52.589,0:54:56.999 the point where the cargo political witness cross hands for the four regions 0:54:56.999,0:54:58.129 come together 0:54:58.129,0:55:02.099 every couple being carefully oriented to express the idea pre established harmony 0:55:02.099,0:55:05.249 between a celestial interest real image 0:55:05.249,0:55:07.419 he's getting it here's three 0:55:07.419,0:55:08.899 too 0:55:08.899,0:55:10.679 to build a temple 0:55:10.679,0:55:13.429 you don't just go out find a piece of land 0:55:13.429,0:55:17.739 and say okay you hear the architect of our group but at the temple 0:55:17.739,0:55:20.029 in those early days 0:55:20.029,0:55:24.989 the the person who was in charge would go out 0:55:24.989,0:55:28.469 uh... in fact gerry and i have been reading a book by uh... 0:55:28.469,0:55:30.419 okay request ebook and 0:55:30.419,0:55:34.959 one of genesis one by that professor while john walton john walton 0:55:34.959,0:55:37.159 yes in syria 0:55:37.159,0:55:38.330 or via internet 0:55:38.330,0:55:42.590 and i don't think you know what parties exp explains in this book is the what a 0:55:42.590,0:55:45.140 personal want to go into the bar to build a temple they would go out at 0:55:45.140,0:55:46.809 night 0:55:46.809,0:55:48.309 and say that 0:55:48.309,0:55:51.100 give the spot or they want to tend to be built 0:55:51.100,0:55:53.979 and they would cite to the north star 0:55:53.979,0:55:56.750 so they could get exactly north-south 0:55:56.750,0:56:00.399 and then the next day they would set up their citing posts 0:56:00.399,0:56:04.900 when the sun comes up goes over and comes down to get exact east and west 0:56:04.900,0:56:10.679 and that's the part of the dakotas it's the north-south and east-west lines 0:56:10.679,0:56:15.019 and their where they cross check right attached but with a crossed 0:56:15.019,0:56:18.449 was where they would set up what they call the umbilical smoothly 0:56:18.449,0:56:20.479 the navel of the world 0:56:20.479,0:56:24.529 and that's what the temple became it became the place that was 0:56:24.529,0:56:26.309 the naval from which 0:56:26.309,0:56:28.679 all nourishment from heaven came 0:56:28.679,0:56:32.399 antiquity link the three worlds and leslie goes on to talk about the three 0:56:32.399,0:56:35.409 worlds 0:56:35.409,0:56:40.779 there are three temples one in heaven wannatter and want to be here 0:56:40.779,0:56:44.179 what do you mean we've built a temple we need a temple above the earth in a 0:56:44.179,0:56:46.689 temple beneath the year 0:56:46.689,0:56:51.159 all the ancient temples were built with that tripartite 0:56:51.159,0:56:53.309 horizontal asymmetry 0:56:53.309,0:56:57.729 and the font in the basement represents the temple below 0:56:57.729,0:57:01.339 the main floor represents the temple above have been going through the veil 0:57:01.339,0:57:03.609 into the upper part of the temple 0:57:03.609,0:57:07.019 represents the temple on high 0:57:07.019,0:57:11.160 um... heretofore horizontal regions meets a we have the cross into the cargo 0:57:11.160,0:57:12.459 that coolness 0:57:12.459,0:57:16.399 so we have before horizontal regions and inventory 0:57:16.399,0:57:17.839 vertical 0:57:17.839,0:57:20.139 uh... worlds 0:57:20.139,0:57:21.349 um... 0:57:21.349,0:57:25.119 everything had to be box to the compass everything had to be exactly 0:57:25.119,0:57:27.039 north south east and west 0:57:27.039,0:57:28.150 and agent later 0:57:28.150,0:57:30.489 all temples were built that way 0:57:30.489,0:57:31.509 um... 0:57:31.509,0:57:34.199 joseph smith did it 0:57:34.199,0:57:38.839 in cortland joe suspected in all food and even now when you go to salt lake 0:57:38.839,0:57:42.719 city you go right to the southeast corner of temple square 0:57:42.719,0:57:46.219 and there's the salt lake basin meridian marker 0:57:46.219,0:57:48.899 sitting right outside the walls 0:57:48.899,0:57:50.559 that is the cartel 0:57:50.559,0:57:54.420 and the dakotas basis data or some crap 0:57:54.420,0:57:56.189 did the first surveying 0:57:56.189,0:57:59.919 and then the government surveyor came and checked orson pratt's work and 0:57:59.919,0:58:04.009 thought it was off by about fifty feet but from those prevented instruments 0:58:04.009,0:58:06.619 you know who would be surprised 0:58:06.619,0:58:09.489 uh... indeed to set up a marker 0:58:09.489,0:58:12.930 and then they build a building over it and people don't adobe building or orson 0:58:12.930,0:58:15.189 pratt could set his telescope 0:58:15.189,0:58:17.379 and continue to take time 0:58:17.379,0:58:20.109 measurements 0:58:20.109,0:58:23.459 um... and that's what the southeast corner of trouble square once they had 0:58:23.459,0:58:25.840 to do all that astronomical society 0:58:25.840,0:58:30.179 it order to find exactly how to build a template bus which was build a building 0:58:30.179,0:58:32.229 there was a lot of ritual 0:58:32.229,0:58:35.989 there was a lot of of siding that had to pick up a whole p 0:58:35.989,0:58:38.209 in arizona still do this 0:58:38.209,0:58:41.029 in order to set their ceremonies they talked to say well it'll start of the 0:58:41.029,0:58:43.239 twenty six states july 0:58:43.239,0:58:48.000 they actually have their ceremonies and ladder that goes out of the whole 0:58:48.000,0:58:49.829 cedar key does 0:58:49.829,0:58:51.029 are 0:58:51.029,0:58:53.950 do exactly the same way there's the cbo pool at the bottom 0:58:53.950,0:58:55.819 which goes out into the lower world 0:58:55.819,0:59:00.649 theirs to keep a level and then the letter goes up through hole in the roof 0:59:00.649,0:59:01.979 up into the 0:59:01.979,0:59:03.499 the fourth world 0:59:03.499,0:59:08.799 and date date look zero which stars are rising 0:59:08.799,0:59:11.719 through the letter dated exactly what the latter suits 0:59:11.719,0:59:15.019 and the stars you have to rise just exactly right in order for them to set 0:59:15.019,0:59:16.609 the ceremonies 0:59:16.609,0:59:19.179 uh... and i believe course says that 0:59:19.179,0:59:21.779 the hopis held the closest thing 0:59:21.779,0:59:23.609 to our temple ceremonies 0:59:23.609,0:59:27.019 uh... anybody else on earth its operations without the free masons 0:59:27.019,0:59:28.639 snap it calms 0:59:28.639,0:59:31.430 um... and and and and then he goes on to say 0:59:31.430,0:59:33.659 and sort of the hope is that there's 0:59:33.659,0:59:36.479 yeah yeah 0:59:36.479,0:59:37.130 athletics 0:59:37.130,0:59:40.180 they didn't get it from the mason that's for sure they certainly did not accept 0:59:40.180,0:59:41.349 that 0:59:41.349,0:59:45.019 in fact what did we said was people think that the masons or the police 0:59:45.019,0:59:46.640 shows have got this and he says 0:59:46.640,0:59:49.979 as dole profit had to rummage through our gross domestic 0:59:49.979,0:59:52.369 the stock picking is treasury that's right 0:59:52.369,0:59:54.309 uh... 0:59:54.309,0:59:56.379 uh... you gotta love midway 0:59:56.379,1:00:00.539 in the others think is important about this is that the uh... actual sequences 1:00:00.539,1:00:02.279 in this guy 1:00:02.279,1:00:05.689 as margaret lee i'm just reading something were to today's one of the 1:00:05.689,1:00:10.079 things that has to happen on the uh... summary collapses at the center has to 1:00:10.079,1:00:11.429 go straight 1:00:11.429,1:00:16.149 down at the temple through the east door and these and goes right into the 1:00:16.149,1:00:21.289 hallway in hallways and eliminates the gold room that represents the uh... 1:00:21.289,1:00:24.239 we've always this is not talking historically temples 1:00:24.239,1:00:27.879 and then you'd need to understand the significance 1:00:27.879,1:00:29.949 will be in 1:00:29.949,1:00:33.419 the uh... table as well as a string equinox 1:00:33.419,1:00:36.999 and i don't know i just our summary of the day the importance of when joe smith 1:00:36.999,1:00:38.659 goes to 1:00:38.659,1:00:40.059 uh... 1:00:40.059,1:00:44.830 goes to trying to records for four years every year 1:00:44.830,1:00:47.939 and should be immune to it won't 1:00:47.939,1:00:49.499 downtown 1:00:49.499,1:00:52.960 effect margaret also talks about uh... in 1:00:52.960,1:00:55.159 in but biblical description 1:00:55.159,1:00:58.440 he talks about the twelve cater to the city 1:00:58.440,1:01:03.650 and she says that those gates will not exactly in the middle of the north and 1:01:03.650,1:01:07.159 south walls of the temple complex 1:01:07.159,1:01:08.340 they were sepa 1:01:08.340,1:01:11.469 so that the sun would shine through those gates 1:01:11.469,1:01:15.559 at least solstice is at the economic sense 1:01:15.559,1:01:17.589 so um... 1:01:17.589,1:01:20.439 even the early temples of 1:01:20.439,1:01:25.239 this dispensation were built just that way so that the sudden could connie m 1:01:25.239,1:01:26.860 shine through certain windows 1:01:26.860,1:01:29.689 and illuminate the holy boats 1:01:29.689,1:01:32.269 that there's a reason the uh... 1:01:32.269,1:01:35.329 the net most temples face 1:01:35.329,1:01:37.369 eastward right 1:01:37.369,1:01:42.519 and there's a reason for that to the you know the sun rises from the east 1:01:42.519,1:01:46.079 uh... and you know there's a lot of symbolism in that with the the son of 1:01:46.079,1:01:50.689 god and his resurrection and his return the second coming will come from the 1:01:50.689,1:01:52.429 east and so forth 1:01:52.429,1:01:55.159 and uh... absolutely 1:01:55.159,1:01:58.319 uh... cherry move on uh... with this uh... 1:01:58.319,1:02:03.239 but the paragraph um... dame the temple represents the principle of ordering the 1:02:03.239,1:02:04.639 universe 1:02:04.639,1:02:09.299 the temple is where we get our bearings regarding our place in the universe 1:02:09.299,1:02:13.149 that those are skinner's works he's paraphrasing deadly 1:02:13.149,1:02:16.399 neighborly says the temple is the place where we get our bearings on the 1:02:16.399,1:02:19.079 universe is not our bearings 1:02:19.079,1:02:21.560 uh... spiritually and 1:02:21.560,1:02:23.919 emotionally 1:02:23.919,1:02:27.459 these are actual bearings on the universe we go and take our own 1:02:27.459,1:02:29.689 sightings now 1:02:29.689,1:02:33.909 to make sure everything is exactly north south east and west 1:02:33.909,1:02:38.109 uh... book a little supporters skinner said here 1:02:38.109,1:02:40.199 the temple walls 1:02:40.199,1:02:43.699 and here's the center of civilization 1:02:43.699,1:02:47.230 or as professor dudley said there is no part of our civilization 1:02:47.230,1:02:50.690 which doesn't have its rise in the temple 1:02:50.690,1:02:54.869 i've gotta read something here because of dislikes paragraph 1:02:54.869,1:02:59.679 okay this is why i am i have the same quote you do 1:02:59.679,1:03:00.929 talking 1:03:00.929,1:03:03.150 this is a deadly the house of life 1:03:03.150,1:03:07.319 where the books were copied and studied had from the earliest times the aspect 1:03:07.319,1:03:08.689 of the university 1:03:08.689,1:03:09.899 so he says 1:03:09.899,1:03:13.039 he temple is the origin of the university 1:03:13.039,1:03:15.149 a super graduate school 1:03:15.149,1:03:16.190 their it was 1:03:16.190,1:03:20.419 that all there was that all questions relating to run it matters were settled 1:03:20.419,1:03:25.109 the place was always part of the temple of the books contain the earliest poetry 1:03:25.109,1:03:26.279 purple emma 1:03:26.279,1:03:27.599 means creation 1:03:27.599,1:03:30.909 and the business of the news is that the temple was to sing the creation saw with 1:03:30.909,1:03:32.359 the morning stars 1:03:32.359,1:03:34.779 naturally him listen to music 1:03:34.779,1:03:37.290 and some scholars we derive the first writing 1:03:37.290,1:03:39.329 tribute musical notation 1:03:39.329,1:03:41.189 it was performed a sacred circle 1:03:41.189,1:03:42.689 or choruses 1:03:42.689,1:03:45.509 uh... that's 1:03:45.509,1:03:49.589 they get discussion i gave a temple church of margaret king 1:03:49.589,1:03:54.530 uh... temple studies uh... supposed to go to read into dangerous path 1:03:54.530,1:03:56.469 cosmic green renounce 1:03:56.469,1:04:00.599 yahoo sold at poetry music at the dance 1:04:00.599,1:04:02.130 go out to the world from the temple 1:04:02.130,1:04:05.679 called by the greeks didn't you say on or shrine of the news 1:04:05.679,1:04:08.899 the creation him was part of the great dramatic presentation that took place 1:04:08.899,1:04:12.559 here leave the temple dealing with the following a reduction of man represented 1:04:12.559,1:04:16.399 by various forms of combat making the place to see that the ritual athletic 1:04:16.399,1:04:19.119 contest sanctified throughout the world 1:04:19.119,1:04:21.970 the olympics back have their origin 1:04:21.970,1:04:23.279 at the capitol 1:04:23.279,1:04:27.899 yeah at the very current uh... subject of an apparently that ect 1:04:27.899,1:04:31.319 the picture in the contest was the father of the race the priest king 1:04:31.319,1:04:33.970 himself whose triumphant price procession 1:04:33.970,1:04:36.829 coronation and marriage took place on the occasion 1:04:36.829,1:04:39.789 making here's the seat and source of government 1:04:39.789,1:04:43.569 the king was always crowded the temple rather than the palace 1:04:43.569,1:04:45.490 the king of england the queen of england 1:04:45.490,1:04:50.050 is crowned and has the the coronation take place in westminster abbey dr 1:04:50.050,1:04:51.759 dallas 1:04:51.759,1:04:52.849 um... 1:04:52.849,1:04:55.890 since the entire race was expected to be present for the event 1:04:55.890,1:04:59.480 a busy change of goods from various distant regions took place 1:04:59.480,1:05:03.189 the booths of pilgrimage serving as the market booth rick repairers 1:05:03.189,1:05:06.719 of an associate converting areas of bizarre forms of wealth it acceptable 1:05:06.719,1:05:10.699 offer to the temple led to an active baking exchange in the temple courts the 1:05:10.699,1:05:11.950 earnest money 1:05:11.950,1:05:14.519 from the shrine and chew gum on a time 1:05:14.519,1:05:16.819 at romance temple money 1:05:16.819,1:05:20.689 since the place began as an observatory and all things work tied to the calendar 1:05:20.689,1:05:24.579 and the stars mathematics flourish in astronomy was amused 1:05:24.579,1:05:27.729 history was another news for the rights were meant for the dead as well as the 1:05:27.729,1:05:28.479 living 1:05:28.479,1:05:32.489 and memorials to for greek once believed to be an attempted to purge encourage 1:05:32.489,1:05:34.259 the production of a marvelous are too 1:05:34.259,1:05:36.070 oxfordshire of sculpture 1:05:36.070,1:05:37.079 and painting 1:05:37.079,1:05:40.400 which would have cherished anyway as architectural adornment says the design 1:05:40.400,1:05:42.309 and measurements to be told 1:05:42.309,1:05:45.819 told the temple structure itself as a sort of scale model of the universe of 1:05:45.819,1:05:50.549 cosmic computerworld important at another place that lisa said that 1:05:50.549,1:05:51.819 the boston 1:05:51.819,1:05:53.569 the form of sculpture 1:05:53.569,1:05:57.150 known as the bus to which is just from here up 1:05:57.150,1:05:58.160 did notes 1:05:58.160,1:06:02.599 the dead person being resurrected and rising from the ground you only see the 1:06:02.599,1:06:05.799 top part of him as it's coming out of the ground that's where that k_ 1:06:05.799,1:06:07.069 interesting 1:06:07.069,1:06:09.059 um... 1:06:09.059,1:06:13.149 the templates ella si road portly architecture bahar centric structure was 1:06:13.149,1:06:15.819 a primary concern absence from the central point 1:06:15.819,1:06:20.499 all the earth was measured at all as distributed geometry was essential 1:06:20.499,1:06:23.899 in the beginning of the one god promised horrors that he should inherit all the 1:06:23.899,1:06:26.559 land of egypt which was written in the books by the order of the board of all 1:06:26.559,1:06:28.190 sorts of top 1:06:28.190,1:06:31.660 the writing producing copy to the house of life also discussed they're giving 1:06:31.660,1:06:33.399 rise to philosophy 1:06:33.399,1:06:37.689 but concerned largely with cosmology of natural sciences sort in short 1:06:37.689,1:06:41.449 there is no aspect of our civilization that does not have this rise in the 1:06:41.449,1:06:42.389 temple 1:06:42.389,1:06:44.009 an eagle scout 1:06:44.009,1:06:45.039 concept is that 1:06:45.039,1:06:49.029 basically what you're gonna read our i i have one of the very similar like that 1:06:49.029,1:06:52.509 it's a little more concise a contracts ap bac 1:06:52.509,1:06:57.559 but it's exactly the same thing he said all the arts and sciences began at the 1:06:57.559,1:06:58.669 temple 1:06:58.669,1:07:03.159 dance music architecture sculpture drama 1:07:03.159,1:07:04.279 and so forth 1:07:04.279,1:07:07.539 they all go back to the temple 1:07:07.539,1:07:08.889 and uh... 1:07:08.889,1:07:13.329 i think that's deaths this really profound if you think about that 1:07:13.329,1:07:18.889 all all the arts and sciences go back to the temple at some point i'm begging 1:07:18.889,1:07:23.159 rise the temple gave rise to all of this court sure 1:07:23.159,1:07:25.090 that we have nowadays 1:07:25.090,1:07:27.789 in arm and our modern world 1:07:27.789,1:07:29.909 and i think that's just fascinating 1:07:29.909,1:07:32.489 it brother mib leases article 1:07:32.489,1:07:36.959 a perhaps creation drama or it's also called a branch temple drama 1:07:36.959,1:07:40.139 he goes into some detail about how to draw the line 1:07:40.139,1:07:41.819 uh... begins in the temple 1:07:41.819,1:07:46.139 and is is basically the temple 1:07:46.139,1:07:46.990 originally 1:07:46.990,1:07:51.200 bellamy let me show you up i've done a lot of uh... research arm bands 1:07:51.200,1:07:52.979 particularly this was a 1:07:52.979,1:07:57.930 uh... opposed i did call the the greek folk dance is a new steps we can vote 1:07:57.930,1:08:02.199 repose uh... one that i did originally at several years ago but 1:08:02.199,1:08:06.779 uh... it shows the greeks pork dances that they still perform today in fact 1:08:06.779,1:08:09.499 this particular day after you see here 1:08:09.499,1:08:10.470 um... 1:08:10.470,1:08:13.399 when you bring a bigger 1:08:13.399,1:08:16.849 this is the the the horrible 1:08:16.849,1:08:21.479 uh... is performed by a folk dance group for the olympics and must be performed 1:08:21.479,1:08:25.560 at the olympics where it should be down exactly 1:08:25.560,1:08:30.339 they're not interesting at the olympics i and an eight bands uh... grace 1:08:30.339,1:08:32.729 during the games of two thousand five 1:08:32.729,1:08:34.199 and uh... 1:08:34.199,1:08:36.500 very interesting things going on here 1:08:36.500,1:08:40.460 uh... dancing in circles holding hands the costumes and everything 1:08:40.460,1:08:45.120 went back to concede and video here but i won't play that here's another picture 1:08:45.120,1:08:50.879 old why isn't that interesting cannot of course of these sandhog kenya 1:08:50.879,1:08:55.929 uh... delta college polemic dancers during the greek circumstance 1:08:55.929,1:08:59.260 uh... at their campus dedication nineteen seventy seven 1:08:59.260,1:09:02.499 they're going around in a rain holding hands uh... 1:09:02.499,1:09:08.509 uh... with uh... a leader in the center i think he's his own agreed instrument 1:09:08.509,1:09:11.069 mera rationing get data 1:09:11.069,1:09:15.239 uh... and what he's leading the group in the song and dance 1:09:15.239,1:09:17.159 uh... just very fascinating 1:09:17.159,1:09:18.779 in uh... 1:09:18.779,1:09:20.799 material uh... the 1:09:20.799,1:09:22.739 that uh... you can 1:09:22.739,1:09:28.270 you can see the the the remnants of the temple 1:09:28.270,1:09:31.859 in just about everything other quote here actually that the lecture kinda 1:09:31.859,1:09:35.369 paraphrase but avik i got a pretty close that 1:09:35.369,1:09:37.569 um... the elder yes 1:09:37.569,1:09:40.370 of the latter-day saints believe that the temple 1:09:40.370,1:09:43.290 is as old as the human race 1:09:43.290,1:09:48.219 and has passed through alternate stages of of restoration of apostasy 1:09:48.219,1:09:53.239 which has left the world scattered with fragments of the original structure 1:09:53.239,1:09:58.599 uh... many which are badly damaged uh... or other prompt texting 1:09:58.599,1:10:02.760 com and uh... you know we see this kind of thing all 1:10:02.760,1:10:06.510 over the place 1:10:06.510,1:10:08.030 this is a 1:10:08.030,1:10:09.429 there's no book right here 1:10:09.429,1:10:10.570 not to be plugging it 1:10:10.570,1:10:13.889 but uh... that's the cosmic reagan's books talks about that 1:10:13.889,1:10:15.750 and how originally 1:10:15.750,1:10:17.179 the prayer circle 1:10:17.179,1:10:20.459 lost performed to music 1:10:20.459,1:10:25.129 and it was done like the whole peace to tate dances to distribute it's rather 1:10:25.129,1:10:25.510 than 1:10:25.510,1:10:28.369 dance steps like we think it's it's uh... 1:10:28.369,1:10:29.760 rhythmic 1:10:29.760,1:10:33.809 shuffling dance to this direction to districts like no peace to you 1:10:33.809,1:10:36.409 and once you've got down to the hopi home dances 1:10:36.409,1:10:40.360 have stated that plaza all day long and watch them and listen to them 1:10:40.360,1:10:41.570 and filled it 1:10:41.570,1:10:44.420 you could uh... there's a power that's generated there 1:10:44.420,1:10:46.510 and dipti 1:10:46.510,1:10:47.899 so let's take a bow 1:10:47.899,1:10:53.459 yahya i'm reminded of uh... technically also noted this n 1:10:53.459,1:10:55.019 which article was that 1:10:55.019,1:10:57.599 uh... that uh... 1:10:57.599,1:11:00.500 literally christian pressure call was the article 1:11:00.500,1:11:04.139 was she noted about some very early 1:11:04.139,1:11:05.989 uh... non-stick 1:11:05.989,1:11:10.639 uh... scriptures uh... i've believed the book of jiu as the one that he was 1:11:10.639,1:11:11.679 referencing 1:11:11.679,1:11:15.999 wherein he talks about missus uh... after the resurrection bring the the 1:11:15.999,1:11:22.059 fourteen-day on ministry of mice when he is with his disciples and i think even 1:11:22.059,1:11:23.110 the 1:11:23.110,1:11:24.290 um... that uh... 1:11:24.290,1:11:26.760 america's there 1:11:26.760,1:11:28.249 and the bay 1:11:28.249,1:11:32.139 wanted to hear this is a reversal of maastricht has announced its that show 1:11:32.139,1:11:33.429 the felt there 1:11:33.429,1:11:34.719 um... the book of geo 1:11:34.719,1:11:37.340 it talks about oppressed circle 1:11:37.340,1:11:38.870 um... where 1:11:38.870,1:11:40.380 the disciples gathered 1:11:40.380,1:11:43.449 christ tells them to gather around him 1:11:43.449,1:11:45.040 uh... and it 1:11:45.040,1:11:49.599 and tells them to you know change the clothing uh... sober wearing white 1:11:49.599,1:11:51.090 uh... garments 1:11:51.090,1:11:55.469 to gather around him and then they will uh... you know 1:11:55.469,1:11:58.449 perform this i think you can make a call that the cama 1:11:58.449,1:12:04.579 of sportswear crisis leave this him and they all repeated back to him 1:12:04.579,1:12:06.530 on after he has said 1:12:06.530,1:12:10.300 uh... and and that kind of amen type of fashion 1:12:10.300,1:12:17.300 on them and so you can look that up and actually read it in the book of june 1:12:19.579,1:12:21.519 sure go on 1:12:21.519,1:12:24.050 all right 1:12:24.050,1:12:25.589 provides the reading 1:12:25.589,1:12:29.039 but you want or or i can't no 1:12:29.039,1:12:31.570 uh... 1:12:31.570,1:12:33.999 it'll be fine my place 1:12:33.999,1:12:36.510 we lost one of our members 1:12:36.510,1:12:38.810 yeah steve so you might have had to take off 1:12:38.810,1:12:42.330 nora other areas unfamiliar okay 1:12:42.330,1:12:44.730 harvard jiji juneau 1:12:44.730,1:12:45.530 hen 1:12:45.530,1:12:48.539 when you were talking about something you just kinda 1:12:48.539,1:12:53.380 brought some unwanted are rejoining not be music that one of the 1:12:53.380,1:12:55.330 where circle in that 1:12:55.330,1:12:58.830 was looking for the reference and they will find it yet so i'm learning one 1:12:58.830,1:13:00.670 shuffling which is good 1:13:00.670,1:13:03.260 it was um... 1:13:03.260,1:13:04.760 uh... in 1:13:04.760,1:13:08.659 beginner's guide to construct in years 1:13:08.659,1:13:10.579 michaelson who's in 1:13:10.579,1:13:14.320 angry just talks about that how they use to uh... 1:13:14.320,1:13:20.160 the barbarians used to play music trying to resume uh... mckee 1:13:20.160,1:13:24.129 universal talents to create peaceful newland years 1:13:24.129,1:13:30.010 mansell music was awaits you promote healing into action we project needs 1:13:30.010,1:13:31.260 on types 1:13:31.260,1:13:32.290 in june 1:13:32.290,1:13:33.550 in reality 1:13:33.550,1:13:40.449 through the really fascinating so fifty there was a belief that the planets 1:13:40.449,1:13:42.099 maidan 1:13:42.099,1:13:46.149 musical sounds as they went around in their orbits and that he check private 1:13:46.149,1:13:47.580 had its on 1:13:47.580,1:13:52.320 specific sound no making an offer to 1:13:52.320,1:13:55.840 and that they were trying to reconstruct effect that's what this 1:13:55.840,1:13:58.610 and uh... the holme 1:13:58.610,1:13:59.440 ears 1:13:59.440,1:14:00.739 is 1:14:00.739,1:14:04.649 the sum total sounds of naked there are are some ancient things that say that 1:14:04.649,1:14:06.099 those 1:14:06.099,1:14:11.419 homes are also constructed by voicing the files 1:14:11.419,1:14:13.769 uh... a elo 1:14:13.769,1:14:17.159 book when i was reading going there was a lady there who talked about that had 1:14:17.159,1:14:17.980 us in there 1:14:17.980,1:14:19.969 the drum around part of the road 1:14:19.969,1:14:23.750 of temple church and she was having everybody camped this stuff but it was 1:14:23.750,1:14:26.460 it was kinda cool at n_b_c_ 1:14:26.460,1:14:30.409 you know that reminds me you know i i read something about that as well 1:14:30.409,1:14:35.360 they say you know everything in the universe of vibrates 1:14:35.360,1:14:36.139 and 1:14:36.139,1:14:39.140 we know you know from acoustic uh... 1:14:39.140,1:14:44.100 fairy we know that vibration as what creates sound 1:14:44.100,1:14:48.190 and so we have everything in the universe vibrating and you can see this 1:14:48.190,1:14:51.330 in-kind even involve very latest quantum 1:14:51.330,1:14:52.590 mechanics 1:14:52.590,1:14:55.789 that uh... where they talk about string theory 1:14:55.789,1:14:58.340 matter is made up of alton me 1:14:58.340,1:15:00.550 be made up of all of these little 1:15:00.550,1:15:03.969 vibrating strings right 1:15:03.969,1:15:09.840 if we're all vibrating them i mean baby might actually be producing music 1:15:09.840,1:15:13.369 everything and in the universe is actually a song 1:15:13.369,1:15:17.000 and in that sense which is fascinating to think about 1:15:17.000,1:15:18.449 well but admittedly 1:15:18.449,1:15:23.559 alluded to that but he talked about the purpose for prayer circle he said 1:15:23.559,1:15:29.989 you gather and you start going around in round of the idea is to 1:15:29.989,1:15:32.340 open up a conduit 1:15:32.340,1:15:35.090 from the earth hope to have it and that's what these 1:15:35.090,1:15:39.660 what what's called the prophetic experience what jarmin ezekiel italy's 1:15:39.660,1:15:42.409 profits based on a conduit open 1:15:42.409,1:15:43.530 up into heaven 1:15:43.530,1:15:46.289 and that they saw the throne of god at the top of you can see that look a 1:15:46.289,1:15:47.530 revelation 1:15:47.530,1:15:51.650 and that how you do that is to gather together and properly hold the circle 1:15:51.650,1:15:54.869 and at least says there must be a stirring below 1:15:54.869,1:15:57.949 before there can be a stirring the bottle 1:15:57.949,1:15:58.809 so 1:15:58.809,1:16:02.949 he kind of acted like he believe 1:16:02.949,1:16:06.449 that in some sense yeah 1:16:06.449,1:16:10.389 i think it's it's fascinating to think about that but even even the very latest 1:16:10.389,1:16:13.919 and quantum mechanics berry 1:16:13.919,1:16:18.379 also testified isn't that sort of of thing that you know the universe is full 1:16:18.379,1:16:19.869 of this music 1:16:19.869,1:16:20.979 uh... 1:16:20.979,1:16:22.150 and you know 1:16:22.150,1:16:24.459 going back to that idea that the temple 1:16:24.459,1:16:25.250 is 1:16:25.250,1:16:30.080 uh... scale model of the universe and so that's why there's music 1:16:30.080,1:16:31.370 in the temple 1:16:31.370,1:16:33.389 and see what's fascinating 1:16:33.389,1:16:37.360 tools and using reconsidered you know one of the crisis vitals 1:16:37.360,1:16:39.320 used the word 1:16:39.320,1:16:41.189 yes 1:16:41.189,1:16:44.340 well and there is some old stuff it says that 1:16:44.340,1:16:45.159 god 1:16:45.159,1:16:46.489 spoken 1:16:46.489,1:16:49.880 the world into existence 1:16:49.880,1:16:51.190 c_s_ lewis 1:16:51.190,1:16:54.189 use that same concept in his uh... 1:16:54.189,1:16:55.709 narnia books 1:16:55.709,1:16:58.389 azlan saying 1:16:58.389,1:16:59.590 that the world 1:16:59.590,1:17:01.219 soon to creation 1:17:01.219,1:17:03.709 so yahoo i think so 1:17:03.709,1:17:08.929 okay the temple is a tangible symbol off the principle of eternal progression 1:17:08.929,1:17:11.369 which culminated in god 1:17:11.369,1:17:16.210 the temple reflects things as they exist in heaven 1:17:16.210,1:17:18.330 things as they were really are 1:17:18.330,1:17:20.689 chewing tobacco is where go ahead 1:17:20.689,1:17:24.869 i was gonna comment there that that's that's one of the things that's i think 1:17:24.869,1:17:27.109 most 1:17:27.109,1:17:28.740 were one of the things that some 1:17:28.740,1:17:34.110 very interesting and uh... should be noted about the temple that it is 1:17:34.110,1:17:35.630 unequal progression 1:17:35.630,1:17:39.399 at the temple symbol of eternal progression were progressing 1:17:39.399,1:17:41.600 that the symbol the symbolism 1:17:41.600,1:17:42.760 in the temple 1:17:42.760,1:17:43.969 all of it 1:17:43.969,1:17:46.830 uh... indicate besito progression from 1:17:46.830,1:17:49.909 from one stage to another to another to another 1:17:49.909,1:17:53.420 uh... it's uh... it's one step another step another step 1:17:53.420,1:17:54.139 uh... 1:17:54.139,1:17:56.489 and and all that 1:17:56.489,1:17:57.590 indicates 1:17:57.590,1:18:01.909 you know this eternal progression mica says the culminates in gauntlet and i 1:18:01.909,1:18:06.449 think this is one of the things that a lot of our the critics of the church 1:18:06.449,1:18:07.409 um... 1:18:07.409,1:18:09.639 criticize 1:18:09.639,1:18:13.760 uh... that we believe that we can obtain 1:18:13.760,1:18:14.800 awkward 1:18:14.800,1:18:15.579 uh... 1:18:15.579,1:18:16.800 they were really 1:18:16.800,1:18:18.260 criticize us for that 1:18:18.260,1:18:21.760 but i find a good really interesting uh... because 1:18:21.760,1:18:24.400 they don't seem to be 1:18:24.400,1:18:27.179 they don't seem to be aware 1:18:27.179,1:18:30.619 or have been i've studied much about uh... 1:18:30.619,1:18:32.489 the very christian 1:18:32.489,1:18:36.800 uh... doctrines of the education and bill says 1:18:36.800,1:18:40.030 uh... which is this very idea of 1:18:40.030,1:18:44.150 man's ability to become part of of the divine 1:18:44.150,1:18:47.010 uh... it's uh... demonization 1:18:47.010,1:18:48.340 of man 1:18:48.340,1:18:51.369 where we can through christ 1:18:51.369,1:18:53.179 become part of 1:18:53.179,1:18:54.389 garter 1:18:54.389,1:19:01.020 uh... is very much alive and well out in the even uh... christian world 1:19:01.020,1:19:04.999 the ideas of duplication theo sister hard and studied and 1:19:04.999,1:19:08.540 and i think i i agree with uh... and one 1:19:08.540,1:19:10.600 uh... major of 1:19:10.600,1:19:13.919 publication that was there was talking about the alesis 1:19:13.919,1:19:16.010 the says that it's a major 1:19:16.010,1:19:18.309 principle 1:19:18.309,1:19:21.239 christianne uh... christianity 1:19:21.239,1:19:25.520 i didn't know a lot of christians realize that i think that's attache net 1:19:25.520,1:19:27.599 actually 1:19:27.599,1:19:31.209 you know it formally really when you can see you 1:19:31.209,1:19:32.619 on 1:19:32.619,1:19:33.980 when you look at 1:19:33.980,1:19:39.730 we can talk to the general person and uh... who has a christian background you 1:19:39.730,1:19:45.480 imagine if you just need to go men trying to be in a mortal soul one that 1:19:45.480,1:19:47.659 never dies 1:19:47.659,1:19:51.849 isn't air with christ and all but not hats 1:19:51.849,1:19:54.800 what one else would you call that kind of coffee 1:19:54.800,1:19:55.739 exactly 1:19:55.739,1:20:01.110 and you know the reminds me of the scripture where where christ says 1:20:01.110,1:20:04.850 you know to his disciples to his followers he says we need therefore 1:20:04.850,1:20:06.130 perfect 1:20:06.130,1:20:10.210 even as my father which is an heavens perfect you know what 1:20:10.210,1:20:14.050 what is he saying there 1:20:14.050,1:20:21.050 very uh... very important uh... topics and i'm sure we'll talk more about that 1:20:21.369,1:20:22.150 jurong 1:20:22.150,1:20:23.239 number 1:20:23.239,1:20:26.139 but it was a tangible symbol of the principle of eternal progression which 1:20:26.139,1:20:29.699 comments about at the temple reflecting things as they exist in heaven teaches 1:20:29.699,1:20:31.219 that we are 1:20:31.219,1:20:36.400 the temple is where have imagined earthly intersect 1:20:36.400,1:20:38.619 in a couple of his articles 1:20:38.619,1:20:41.350 their voices that temples 1:20:41.350,1:20:46.829 patiently we're not viewed as dwelling places property 1:20:46.829,1:20:48.659 that they were 1:20:48.659,1:20:52.419 they were viewed as places where god's came 1:20:52.419,1:20:54.569 down from heaven to visit ma'am 1:20:54.569,1:20:57.129 he talks about landing 1:20:57.129,1:21:00.110 places and wharfs in places where 1:21:00.110,1:21:05.350 this is a less chill barker or that whatever conveyance is god uses a comes 1:21:05.350,1:21:08.830 down and lands at the temple to visit with man and a m 1:21:08.830,1:21:09.670 goes again 1:21:09.670,1:21:10.669 if the court 1:21:10.669,1:21:12.409 the port 1:21:12.409,1:21:13.399 um... 1:21:13.399,1:21:16.719 the temple gives us an eternal perspective of life's challenges 1:21:16.719,1:21:19.929 and the temple is the place where eternity becomes reality 1:21:19.929,1:21:21.110 working time 1:21:21.110,1:21:22.280 space 1:21:22.280,1:21:25.279 and lives or extended 1:21:25.279,1:21:30.059 which of course takes us to john seventeen three this is eternal life 1:21:30.059,1:21:33.729 that'll be the only true god and jesus christ and i sent and in two hundred 1:21:33.729,1:21:36.760 thirty seconds into the dark and covenant which says 1:21:36.760,1:21:40.709 this is eternal lies 1:21:40.709,1:21:44.909 so that it is the place where time space and lives or accept 1:21:44.909,1:21:48.269 going back to the that the temple is aware 1:21:48.269,1:21:50.389 heaven and earth intersect 1:21:50.389,1:21:54.169 uh... it's it's interesting to note that 1:21:54.169,1:21:58.889 the temples often called the gate of heaven prophet 1:21:58.889,1:22:02.630 and there's actually a book that was written on that by and their lives 1:22:02.630,1:22:04.820 nine hundred mark for the update on the other 1:22:04.820,1:22:06.539 interact 1:22:06.539,1:22:10.259 there was a book by murder barker and in there was a book uh... written by 1:22:10.259,1:22:14.909 matthew b brown which is i know the s scholar who passed away unfortunately a 1:22:14.909,1:22:19.429 few months ago he also wrote a book a by the same title 1:22:19.429,1:22:20.969 and 1:22:20.969,1:22:25.460 and the reason is because the temple is this meeting place between 1:22:25.460,1:22:28.440 birth and havent where men goes u 1:22:28.440,1:22:29.409 uh... 1:22:29.409,1:22:31.899 come into contact with the divine 1:22:31.899,1:22:37.629 where where the presence of god made well and where man they come in contact 1:22:37.629,1:22:40.170 and so you get this this connection point 1:22:40.170,1:22:44.909 this this poor old isn't eight where man can go through 1:22:44.909,1:22:47.739 and and and there's god 1:22:47.739,1:22:50.869 cosmic next should consider 1:22:50.869,1:22:52.269 you know 1:22:52.269,1:22:56.439 in fact our english word temple comes from the latin templeton means a sacred 1:22:56.439,1:22:57.370 space now 1:22:57.370,1:22:58.699 i'd take 1:22:58.699,1:23:01.159 minor issue with brother skinner 1:23:01.159,1:23:03.479 temple doesn't mean sacred space 1:23:03.479,1:23:05.519 it means a county 1:23:05.519,1:23:07.109 a template 1:23:07.109,1:23:11.330 uh... night it is sacred space once this properly laid out 1:23:11.330,1:23:15.590 odd north south east and west it up and down and so on they become sacred spaces 1:23:15.590,1:23:17.829 but that's not the 1:23:17.829,1:23:20.639 actual meeting of the last word 1:23:20.639,1:23:23.529 marked out for the absolve survey showed the heavens 1:23:23.529,1:23:26.849 in the ancient roman world view the heavens for the place where science and 1:23:26.849,1:23:28.979 portents originated 1:23:28.979,1:23:31.989 and from where the god's answer to humans 1:23:31.989,1:23:35.609 a temple was the places where sacred things took place in bolting godsend 1:23:35.609,1:23:36.919 mortals 1:23:36.919,1:23:40.539 now what are these poor kids 1:23:40.539,1:23:41.849 uh... 1:23:41.849,1:23:44.959 the agent mesle american jazz 1:23:44.959,1:23:49.829 gary just like the whole peace to very carefully observed the movements of the 1:23:49.829,1:23:51.010 planets 1:23:51.010,1:23:52.399 and the stars 1:23:52.399,1:23:53.960 and the times of year 1:23:53.960,1:23:57.240 and where the planets were on the side of the moon with relationship to each 1:23:57.240,1:23:58.210 other 1:23:58.210,1:24:01.719 and that's where they saw the portents 1:24:01.719,1:24:02.489 uh... 1:24:02.489,1:24:03.610 it wasn't it 1:24:03.610,1:24:07.270 subcommittee was they they were actually being 1:24:07.270,1:24:11.060 gary assiduous astronomers there are pena staples 1:24:11.060,1:24:12.929 uh... from the buyer 1:24:12.929,1:24:14.670 abby has taken over 1:24:14.670,1:24:18.480 detailed over hundreds and hundreds of years 1:24:18.480,1:24:20.000 garth norman 1:24:20.000,1:24:23.669 uh... at l d s archaeologist who has spent 1:24:23.669,1:24:26.089 a lot of time 1:24:26.089,1:24:27.750 uh... 1:24:27.750,1:24:34.050 measuring that information and he's he's probably the experts now on 1:24:34.050,1:24:37.300 the temple site at heats up 1:24:37.300,1:24:40.929 mormons for so many years of of 1:24:40.929,1:24:46.750 uh... going on and on about steel five and how it's three highest dreamin it 1:24:46.750,1:24:47.539 isn't 1:24:47.539,1:24:48.360 um... 1:24:48.360,1:24:50.400 but it is our major 1:24:50.400,1:24:52.920 r q estou na mikel site 1:24:52.920,1:24:56.650 which he has to do with all of these looking for the portents 1:24:56.650,1:25:00.829 and uh... finding the proper times for this sometimes for that 1:25:00.829,1:25:04.269 and although it's may sound like astrology to us 1:25:04.269,1:25:06.210 uh... let's face it abraham 1:25:06.210,1:25:08.639 whom we all say was a great astronomer 1:25:08.639,1:25:11.540 did not have telescope's he did not have 1:25:11.540,1:25:13.440 computers he did not have 1:25:13.440,1:25:15.040 uh... 1:25:15.040,1:25:17.210 biblical stress instruments 1:25:17.210,1:25:19.149 to measure redshift in 1:25:19.149,1:25:23.099 uh... what kinds of us nobody was doing he wasn't watching the sun the moon and 1:25:23.099,1:25:26.739 stars at learning the portions prophet 1:25:26.739,1:25:30.459 yeah i think i think that's a good point now you know even if you talk to you 1:25:30.459,1:25:32.800 need to go back and you know i talk about 1:25:32.800,1:25:34.300 the the greek 1:25:34.300,1:25:37.369 histories and their mythologies 1:25:37.369,1:25:38.890 it's all about 1:25:38.890,1:25:44.890 the man going to the sacred places too uh... come into contact with with god 1:25:44.890,1:25:49.770 right and bought because always existed they lived you know up in the heavens in 1:25:49.770,1:25:52.869 the skies is where it because came down 1:25:52.869,1:25:54.760 uh... and and 1:25:54.760,1:25:57.270 the they came into contact with the cards 1:25:57.270,1:26:01.290 three sacred places there's lofton temples discussed 1:26:01.290,1:26:03.249 uh... in those greek 1:26:03.249,1:26:05.679 mythologies absolutely 1:26:05.679,1:26:09.860 and i'd like to get about the egyptian because that's what we're doing all gone 1:26:09.860,1:26:14.260 and probably is the best example and that's what john holden is very 1:26:14.260,1:26:18.679 your standard will be getting a paper nurse symposium in went overboard 1:26:18.679,1:26:20.210 now it but uh... 1:26:20.210,1:26:23.209 he came he can show connections and defenders 1:26:23.209,1:26:25.090 that is training in egypt 1:26:25.090,1:26:26.199 uh... 1:26:26.199,1:26:29.440 the abraham and rosa both got 1:26:29.440,1:26:32.570 experiences in the temples in egypt 1:26:32.570,1:26:33.649 uh... 1:26:33.649,1:26:35.609 you trust him who's who 1:26:35.609,1:26:38.030 john is an expert in 1:26:38.030,1:26:38.979 uh... 1:26:38.979,1:26:41.409 transfer this to the greeks and romans 1:26:41.409,1:26:44.440 so this is all very very cold stuff 1:26:44.440,1:26:47.880 a lot of this a lot of this will be just let me get a plug here a lot of this 1:26:47.880,1:26:49.099 will be discussed 1:26:49.099,1:26:51.820 at our conference in october 1:26:51.820,1:26:53.669 cap uh... at 1:26:53.669,1:26:57.400 absent so everybody come their account everybody come 1:26:57.400,1:27:00.309 yeah i just wanted to go over to tell you really quick i think he had 1:27:00.309,1:27:03.949 something to show on your show on a symbol of that right 1:27:03.949,1:27:06.620 is luther coon 1:27:06.620,1:27:10.040 uh... steve say so they're symbols 1:27:10.040,1:27:14.610 uh... dot com me switch back over here too 1:27:14.610,1:27:16.609 uh... id 1:27:16.609,1:27:20.889 and i'm not an expert on this but this is always been one of my favorite 1:27:20.889,1:27:24.780 symbols because of the fact of the way that it was described to me that the 1:27:24.780,1:27:27.909 square represents the four corners of the earth 1:27:27.909,1:27:30.320 and the circle as the dome of heaven 1:27:30.320,1:27:33.960 and so it's literally a way of saying the place where the heaven and earth 1:27:33.960,1:27:34.840 meat 1:27:34.840,1:27:40.709 yadda count and so in my mind is such a good symbol for the temple soldier that 1:27:40.709,1:27:45.909 tend not to promote its temple as well as with several others 1:27:45.909,1:27:50.929 and that he had been relates to the circle on this quarter 1:27:50.929,1:27:55.079 accommodation right now the circle and the square which means wherein the 1:27:55.079,1:27:57.070 unanimous symbols are the 1:27:57.070,1:27:58.919 traditional campus 1:27:58.919,1:28:03.150 and square they were used as a record curricula 'cause construction 1:28:03.150,1:28:06.590 m instruments in the ancient temples at tere 1:28:06.590,1:28:09.080 how do you think how do you construct a circle 1:28:09.080,1:28:11.919 excellent compass frank magazine 1:28:11.919,1:28:16.380 and when you lay out the cargo and the covenant he draws square 1:28:16.380,1:28:20.369 and a m aedt the points of that were the lines of that carter with the colors go 1:28:20.369,1:28:22.699 out infinitely to the horizon 1:28:22.699,1:28:26.480 and the circle of the horizon that makes a circle 1:28:26.480,1:28:28.989 lesser came from richard 1:28:28.989,1:28:31.270 room back there 1:28:31.270,1:28:33.709 tell you talking about the symbol here 1:28:33.709,1:28:36.699 um... wierd things that i 1:28:36.699,1:28:39.989 i've always notice about it was kind of striking times when you 1:28:39.989,1:28:45.480 uh... is seeing a a circle which represents you know intermediate 1:28:45.480,1:28:51.679 something that can really be uh... allison away in confined within a sphere 1:28:51.679,1:28:58.309 or something that implies uh... you know the physical andy in almost 1:28:58.309,1:29:02.649 seems kind of strange when you look at that when you consider what a temple is 1:29:02.649,1:29:07.649 in how you go into this physical environment to be able to comprehend 1:29:07.649,1:29:09.270 eternal seats 1:29:09.270,1:29:13.510 to where there's a lot don't include stingy with physical location to where 1:29:13.510,1:29:18.330 the they can begin to be understood none locks 1:29:18.330,1:29:19.840 uh... 1:29:19.840,1:29:25.460 uh... understandable for morals what i want to point it is a good water still 1:29:25.460,1:29:27.479 and absolutely 1:29:27.479,1:29:28.379 absolutely 1:29:28.379,1:29:31.869 and you know uh... as we talked about before and i noticed you know in the 1:29:31.869,1:29:34.150 same paragraph it talks about how 1:29:34.150,1:29:38.250 you know what unscramble is a sacred place marked out for observation of the 1:29:38.250,1:29:40.170 heavens and that's kinda what uh... 1:29:40.170,1:29:43.210 a scandal rick was talking about before and he he 1:29:43.210,1:29:45.869 he noted uh... for example stonehenge 1:29:45.869,1:29:49.449 was very much one of these by while more more 1:29:49.449,1:29:52.179 popular famous examples 1:29:52.179,1:29:54.290 of and ancient temple 1:29:54.290,1:29:59.449 there was constructed to make always a rations of the heavens uh... it was very 1:29:59.449,1:30:01.610 laid out very orderly 1:30:01.610,1:30:04.780 laid out to you know it's on the white from their son 1:30:04.780,1:30:08.049 during the solstice is what hit just at right angles 1:30:08.049,1:30:09.949 uh... manta 1:30:09.949,1:30:10.959 and that was 1:30:10.959,1:30:16.260 uh... a sort of planetarium in fact is is what the chocolates 1:30:16.260,1:30:18.199 exactly 1:30:18.199,1:30:23.360 well i think i agree i think we might uh... we might be coming to an end here 1:30:23.360,1:30:24.850 opportunists 1:30:24.850,1:30:25.739 fired right 1:30:25.739,1:30:27.559 we didn't get very far 1:30:27.559,1:30:30.880 and it makes me i bring one more thing and before we go 1:30:30.880,1:30:32.179 absolutely 1:30:32.179,1:30:33.049 uh... 1:30:33.049,1:30:36.880 the statement that we just passed that says uh... 1:30:36.880,1:30:41.979 the temple is the place where eternity becomes reality 1:30:41.979,1:30:44.610 now what on earth does that mean 1:30:44.610,1:30:46.580 i want to read a paragraph 1:30:46.580,1:30:48.719 out of 1:30:48.719,1:30:52.979 one of the best books on temples 1:30:52.979,1:30:55.600 but i've ever read 1:30:55.600,1:30:57.159 gerry status is mild 1:30:57.159,1:30:59.099 to book called hamlet's mill 1:30:59.099,1:31:00.280 i think 1:31:00.280,1:31:05.070 now this is a very dense paragraphs 1:31:05.070,1:31:10.309 but this is the kind of thing that when you really get into it 1:31:10.309,1:31:11.880 welcome 1:31:11.880,1:31:13.929 it's a concept that's hard to get 1:31:13.929,1:31:16.409 but it's a concept that's important 1:31:16.409,1:31:22.679 sinai reality where eternity becomes reality kind of here with me here 1:31:22.679,1:31:26.270 this isn't what cookie called living in reality 1:31:26.270,1:31:30.989 and it is singularly different from ordinary for objective reality 1:31:30.989,1:31:36.019 there are two kinds of reality living reality an objective reality ordered 1:31:36.019,1:31:39.339 with the political thinks that this brick here may have 1:31:39.339,1:31:42.499 he declared it was one sky comes round each or spamalot 1:31:42.499,1:31:44.179 using the graveyard 1:31:44.179,1:31:46.769 what based uses we return a ratio 1:31:46.769,1:31:50.550 why it may not get match in asia traced the double-breasted alexander to a 1:31:50.550,1:31:54.039 finding it stopped afp stopping a bundle 1:31:54.039,1:31:55.799 um... 1:31:55.799,1:31:58.699 what he's saying is there a characters carol 1:31:58.699,1:32:01.269 real character to exist in our world 1:32:01.269,1:32:05.750 and then their characters that we refer to as much a logical characters 1:32:05.750,1:32:11.729 who turn out to be more real for the actual people who've lived inside down 1:32:11.729,1:32:16.089 here are already four characters two of the material to lost in the case of his 1:32:16.089,1:32:17.170 history 1:32:17.170,1:32:19.879 yet all equally president hardy 1:32:19.879,1:32:23.719 whereas the most concrete character say the directory total revenue 1:32:23.719,1:32:27.010 are not however they may affect us otherwise 1:32:27.010,1:32:32.900 in that realm of true existence we shall find stars are mindset doses of water 1:32:32.900,1:32:36.710 the eternal form so that will include also the ideas of mathematics another 1:32:36.710,1:32:38.600 form of direct experience 1:32:38.600,1:32:42.570 world of history is outside as a whole or mark i a m 1:32:42.570,1:32:45.620 does not any more than three da c a generation later 1:32:45.620,1:32:50.800 mentioned the glories of cyrus and are deserve sees but only medical heroes 1:32:50.800,1:32:56.230 just as our own middle ages ignored history and spoke of arthur and go away 1:32:56.230,1:33:00.849 it had all been once upon a time they've dante brings back missile powerfully to 1:33:00.849,1:33:01.800 life 1:33:01.800,1:33:05.530 it is because his own contemporaries believe themselves truly descended from 1:33:05.530,1:33:07.119 darkness troy 1:33:07.119,1:33:10.780 and wondered whether the lord ulysses might not still be alive whereas kaiser 1:33:10.780,1:33:11.879 barber rosa 1:33:11.879,1:33:13.989 asleep in his composure mountain 1:33:13.989,1:33:18.289 that must certainly be a stable xna white or is it 1:33:18.289,1:33:22.070 fairytales were easily dismissed further familiar sound 1:33:22.070,1:33:24.030 but it might turn out 1:33:24.030,1:33:27.379 that such great imperial figure scattered into alleged 1:33:27.379,1:33:29.229 how the hidden life of their own 1:33:29.229,1:33:31.500 that they follow the laws of myth 1:33:31.500,1:33:33.369 laid out long before them 1:33:33.369,1:33:35.709 even as king arthur did not really die 1:33:35.709,1:33:39.469 who lives on in the death of a mystic lake according to bruce prophecy so 1:33:39.469,1:33:41.629 godfrey jitterbug who had 1:33:41.629,1:33:45.489 david barbosa service alone brings the true version 1:33:45.489,1:33:49.449 gives the orthodox one in strangely preserved archaic language 1:33:49.449,1:33:53.489 the emperor sweeps onto the depths of the watervliet watery best now 1:33:53.489,1:33:58.589 that might be just saw all pancake credits impossible to clear 1:33:58.589,1:34:01.000 bloodiest opinions 1:34:01.000,1:34:03.310 may i think there is 1:34:03.310,1:34:06.310 there are stories like tables 1:34:06.310,1:34:09.199 but truemail there we go there's the book 1:34:09.199,1:34:14.409 carol may affect is a language just like art has its own language has its own 1:34:14.409,1:34:20.760 jargon law has its own vocabulary medicine has its own language so doesn't 1:34:20.760,1:34:22.190 that happen 1:34:22.190,1:34:27.199 improvement for is the technical language of eighty times through which 1:34:27.199,1:34:30.149 the secrets of the temple or transfer method 1:34:30.149,1:34:33.419 they could be transmitted and told by the barge the storytellers who did not 1:34:33.419,1:34:36.189 wish to have them but would transmit them and of the people who understood 1:34:36.189,1:34:38.630 the language 1:34:38.630,1:34:40.629 and soul 1:34:40.629,1:34:42.250 that is what 1:34:42.250,1:34:44.039 true reality 1:34:44.039,1:34:49.939 is the reality of the stories that happen over overwork him overhead over 1:34:49.939,1:34:52.840 to people like arthur delayed 1:34:52.840,1:34:55.590 whereas somebody like 1:34:55.590,1:34:59.769 comes first lives for a few years and dies has nothing to do with it 1:34:59.769,1:35:02.089 but these these figures 1:35:02.089,1:35:03.489 are the ones 1:35:03.489,1:35:05.540 like adam 1:35:05.540,1:35:06.599 if 1:35:06.599,1:35:11.050 if in uh... a ritual sense 1:35:11.050,1:35:13.399 a person takes the place of adam 1:35:13.399,1:35:14.899 going through the ritual 1:35:14.899,1:35:19.539 he'd be columns are more real person that he himself 1:35:19.539,1:35:22.850 no i don't know how to explain that 1:35:22.850,1:35:26.710 but those of the concepts 1:35:26.710,1:35:32.860 that really are inherent in some of the solve old mythological talent worship 1:35:32.860,1:35:34.030 absolutely 1:35:34.030,1:35:36.809 absolutely about i was number yet 1:35:36.809,1:35:42.229 began more than i read into that phrase you um... 1:35:42.229,1:35:45.239 eternity becomes reality 1:35:45.239,1:35:46.260 um... 1:35:46.260,1:35:49.989 i thought a lot about uh... assuming power 1:35:49.989,1:35:50.829 where 1:35:50.829,1:35:54.379 uh... you know the scriptures talk about how 1:35:54.379,1:35:58.030 when issuing powers given to the apostles of the usual snow 1:35:58.030,1:36:01.969 bind on earth about which will be bound and haven't sort of idea 1:36:01.969,1:36:04.750 um... and i thought about the ceiling power of that 1:36:04.750,1:36:08.959 that power that we have and use in the temple 1:36:08.959,1:36:10.599 yet really 1:36:10.599,1:36:15.379 expands reality to eternity 1:36:15.379,1:36:17.599 in a very little railway 1:36:17.599,1:36:20.919 i'm binding things hot here on earth that will be bound in heaven for 1:36:20.919,1:36:21.970 eternity 1:36:21.970,1:36:23.340 absolutely true 1:36:23.340,1:36:24.270 paquette 1:36:24.270,1:36:26.280 bernstein alone 1:36:26.280,1:36:30.359 it's a would you see like uh... ordinances 1:36:30.359,1:36:34.820 are serve that kind of function unite 1:36:34.820,1:36:39.540 uh... all of us would be may have been gymboree met one miss well yes 1:36:39.540,1:36:44.980 that is how i think it's through ritual and ordnance natalie says this is how we 1:36:44.980,1:36:49.919 has mortal beings plug into those eternal verities 1:36:49.919,1:36:52.880 and just brought to mind uh... you know this 1:36:52.880,1:36:54.070 this uh... 1:36:54.070,1:36:57.619 and i'm sure we will try to get into a little bit about uh... 1:36:57.619,1:37:00.619 more about the ceiling powerhouse 1:37:00.619,1:37:04.899 blue as you talk about it's if this power that buying is not the entire 1:37:04.899,1:37:07.419 human race together 1:37:07.419,1:37:10.949 and that we talked about this howard itb s it's piccolo 1:37:10.949,1:37:16.409 uh... did seals the human race to get all the way back to adam and uh... and 1:37:16.409,1:37:20.409 we could go into details and talk about the in fees section two and 1:37:20.409,1:37:21.969 and that sort of thing 1:37:21.969,1:37:27.109 about how the notebook literate would be utterly wasted if this was not so 1:37:27.109,1:37:28.989 and that sort of thing but 1:37:28.989,1:37:30.350 or probably 1:37:30.350,1:37:31.969 uh... 1:37:31.969,1:37:36.969 good for this evening it's been a very enjoyable conversation i think i 1:37:36.969,1:37:39.040 i have certainly learned 1:37:39.040,1:37:44.379 a lot myself i i idea and so glad to have uh... 1:37:44.379,1:37:45.380 rick you could 1:37:45.380,1:37:49.280 uh... gary anderson steve returns heavier washburn 1:37:49.280,1:37:51.599 here with this uh... this evening 1:37:51.599,1:37:55.369 and to build the talk about these things and it's been very up in lightning i 1:37:55.369,1:37:56.510 hope uh... 1:37:56.510,1:37:59.929 i hope you've enjoyed the discussion two 1:37:59.929,1:38:03.489 at energy level make you didn't uh... 1:38:03.489,1:38:04.590 wonderful 1:38:04.590,1:38:07.889 well we hope uh... we hope this has been helpful i guess low 1:38:07.889,1:38:10.619 i'll probably get some feedback i mention 1:38:10.619,1:38:11.610 uh... 1:38:11.610,1:38:14.340 over the next thirty days and 1:38:14.340,1:38:17.840 and if it's efforts if it looks like it's a good thing and it and it's 1:38:17.840,1:38:20.810 working out well maybe we'll try it again this next week and pick up where 1:38:20.810,1:38:22.119 we left off 1:38:22.119,1:38:23.600 in the tags that day 1:38:23.600,1:38:29.989 i personally think this is going to be helpful and valuable to a lot of people 1:38:29.989,1:38:32.940 and really get to putting it together 1:38:32.940,1:38:35.089 brothels 1:38:35.089,1:38:39.719 well we we sure appreciate uh... goldberger panelists that uh... joined 1:38:39.719,1:38:42.320 in with us this evening and uh... 1:38:42.320,1:38:43.139 well 1:38:43.139,1:38:44.790 will say goodnight to you all 1:38:44.790,1:38:46.230 and till next time 1:38:46.230,1:38:47.050 tonight 1:38:47.050,1:38:47.769 uh... and in that