0:00:04.690,0:00:08.659 to the next ample study dot com uh... 0:00:08.659,0:00:13.209 fireside discussions kind of what we're calling these alone where we we get 0:00:13.209,0:00:16.660 together uh... and talk a little bit about 0:00:16.660,0:00:17.550 the scholarship 0:00:17.550,0:00:20.000 pertaining to the eldest temple 0:00:20.000,0:00:21.020 uh... 0:00:21.020,0:00:23.289 including 0:00:23.289,0:00:24.449 uh... history 0:00:24.449,0:00:28.489 uh... ancient history all the way up until the present uh... 0:00:28.489,0:00:33.560 and uh... word were glad to have with us today uh... uh... 0:00:33.560,0:00:35.310 gary and anderson 0:00:35.310,0:00:37.920 who is an attorney from logan utah 0:00:37.920,0:00:40.480 glad to have you gary here with us 0:00:40.480,0:00:42.670 won't be back 0:00:42.670,0:00:45.410 and we also have uh... william hamlin 0:00:45.410,0:00:49.150 there was a professor of history at brigham young university 0:00:49.150,0:00:52.680 and uh... is very knowledgeable about the temple 0:00:52.680,0:00:55.690 uh... and glad to have him with this as well 0:00:55.690,0:00:57.370 left here 0:00:57.370,0:01:02.170 um... one aircraft uh... to mention about uh... gerry is uh... 0:01:02.170,0:01:03.450 that 0:01:03.450,0:01:06.760 he's one of the organizers of uh... 0:01:06.760,0:01:08.290 anew 0:01:08.290,0:01:09.730 uh... 0:01:09.730,0:01:13.570 academy for temple studies which will be hosting a 0:01:13.570,0:01:15.310 uh... 0:01:15.310,0:01:17.930 symposium our conference i guess you could say 0:01:17.930,0:01:19.880 uh... in logan 0:01:19.880,0:01:23.730 this coming october october twenty ninth i believe is the day 0:01:23.730,0:01:25.369 uh... and 0:01:25.369,0:01:29.130 on the show it to some of the people who will all be presenting their course 0:01:29.130,0:01:30.400 here's karen 0:01:30.400,0:01:31.739 uh... but uh... 0:01:31.739,0:01:33.060 dental bachman 0:01:33.060,0:01:36.410 a martyr barker who is well known and they'll be a circles uh... 0:01:36.410,0:01:39.640 uh... for her scholarship bout 0:01:39.640,0:01:40.930 phil barlow 0:01:40.930,0:01:42.420 legrand davies 0:01:42.420,0:01:45.979 uh... general powell's john paul 0:01:45.979,0:01:48.280 lawrence hemming 0:01:48.280,0:01:50.830 uh... frederick you call 0:01:50.830,0:01:54.899 uh... dennis e peterson and john adobe welch 0:01:54.899,0:01:57.420 uh... will be presenting at that 0:01:57.420,0:02:01.860 that conference in logan in october so we're really excited about that and hope 0:02:01.860,0:02:02.549 for 0:02:02.549,0:02:04.930 but a lot of people make it out to uh... 0:02:04.930,0:02:07.060 to logan for that 0:02:07.060,0:02:09.859 sounds like a great program 0:02:09.859,0:02:13.229 now you might want to just tell you that they want to go online to get that to 0:02:13.229,0:02:14.830 say yes to 0:02:14.830,0:02:17.239 black ministers temple studies dot org 0:02:17.239,0:02:20.489 absolutely temple studies dot org is that website you can get all the 0:02:20.489,0:02:23.269 information all the details of times 0:02:23.269,0:02:27.340 uh... the presenters what the presenting on the phone number to register for that 0:02:27.340,0:02:29.729 conferences there as well so 0:02:29.729,0:02:32.079 at temple studies dot org 0:02:32.079,0:02:38.349 if you want to find out by more information about dot conference 0:02:38.349,0:02:39.540 very good 0:02:39.540,0:02:40.819 well it's 0:02:40.819,0:02:42.999 let's get to it uh... 0:02:42.999,0:02:47.229 were we're using as our uh... as a springboard for discussion about the 0:02:47.229,0:02:48.129 temple 0:02:48.129,0:02:49.709 this book right here 0:02:49.709,0:02:50.569 uh... 0:02:50.569,0:02:52.369 it's called temple worship 0:02:52.369,0:02:55.209 and there it is uh... bill has it as well 0:02:55.209,0:02:58.169 uh... temple worship by andrew skinner 0:02:58.169,0:03:00.669 uh... publishing two thousand seven 0:03:00.669,0:03:04.340 uh... i read it left years ago but i was very good 0:03:04.340,0:03:07.749 uh... it covers a lot of aspects about possible 0:03:07.749,0:03:10.040 on both ancient and modern 0:03:10.040,0:03:12.839 and fought it uh... would be a good uh... 0:03:12.839,0:03:15.609 a good way to spring more discussion about the temple 0:03:15.609,0:03:17.299 uh... so we don't uh... you know 0:03:17.299,0:03:20.569 try to figure out now what we're gonna talk about we can kind of 0:03:20.569,0:03:24.539 a look at this and and and then discuss some some issues and some some 0:03:24.539,0:03:27.599 scholarship in studies that have been done on the topple 0:03:27.599,0:03:28.449 uh... 0:03:28.449,0:03:29.600 and so what will 0:03:29.600,0:03:33.169 will just jump into the introduction last week we 0:03:33.169,0:03:35.629 we talked a little bit about you nearly 0:03:35.629,0:03:36.709 and dough 0:03:36.709,0:03:38.110 what he talked about 0:03:38.110,0:03:42.029 the temple what he wrote about temple which was quite a lot 0:03:42.029,0:03:43.529 obvious fish 0:03:43.529,0:03:47.089 uh... he was quite prolific about the temple 0:03:47.089,0:03:50.569 and uh... i'm sure we'll talk a lot more about him at and 0:03:50.569,0:03:53.099 and later discussions but 0:03:53.099,0:03:55.720 tonight we we wanted to jump into 0:03:55.720,0:03:57.389 uh... one of things that 0:03:57.389,0:04:02.879 that uh... and his scanner impressed him about the temple was the connections 0:04:02.879,0:04:05.619 with the dead sea scrolls 0:04:05.619,0:04:09.020 and there he goes into discussing about 0:04:09.020,0:04:12.819 uh... the ask scenes is that a set 0:04:12.819,0:04:13.820 the essence 0:04:13.820,0:04:18.320 uh... community uh... the dates at schools community that live day and 0:04:18.320,0:04:19.709 uh... 0:04:19.709,0:04:23.089 anonymous another perhaps the strongest come on 0:04:23.089,0:04:25.419 corroborative there aren't 0:04:25.419,0:04:27.739 got 0:04:27.739,0:04:30.699 and and uh... so he talks about 0:04:30.699,0:04:32.710 uh... the dead sea scrolls 0:04:32.710,0:04:35.729 and how this community and and 0:04:35.729,0:04:40.539 i certainly am not an expert about the best netscape c scrolls uh... nine oh 0:04:40.539,0:04:41.590 little bit 0:04:41.590,0:04:44.599 but im unreliable lean on you too 0:04:44.599,0:04:48.449 uh... for your knowledge about the deficit scrolls what they mean to us 0:04:48.449,0:04:50.529 i know that community 0:04:50.529,0:04:51.819 of the uh... 0:04:51.819,0:04:53.009 b_s_e_ ns 0:04:53.009,0:04:56.569 there's lots of similarities uh... between that community and the 0:04:56.569,0:04:58.060 latter-day saints 0:04:58.060,0:05:02.059 uh... maybe we can touch a little bit on that as well as their 0:05:02.059,0:05:02.969 there 0:05:02.969,0:05:03.930 uh... 0:05:03.930,0:05:06.419 their desire to 0:05:06.419,0:05:07.550 for the temple 0:05:07.550,0:05:12.439 the tap all seem to be this central focus of the 0:05:12.439,0:05:14.009 kamon community 0:05:14.009,0:05:19.900 uh... so maybe we could just talk a little bit about that 0:05:19.900,0:05:22.470 well uh... uh... 0:05:22.470,0:05:25.599 you get older their grown on what's going on with the combined community and 0:05:25.599,0:05:26.889 basically 0:05:26.889,0:05:32.150 it's related to a crisis in the 0:05:32.150,0:05:35.120 uh... error to the high priesthood 0:05:35.120,0:05:37.249 and the uh... 0:05:37.249,0:05:39.430 at the office the third was the 0:05:39.430,0:05:42.439 greek saluted hurricane season could dynasty 0:05:42.439,0:05:45.470 of syria and also to to to 0:05:45.470,0:05:48.300 and return to temple into a day 0:05:48.300,0:05:50.269 a holistic stuff temple 0:05:50.269,0:05:55.709 but uh... what happened was the the lineage of of high priest was supposed 0:05:55.709,0:06:01.059 to be in the set up a family these are descendants from so the local was the 0:06:01.059,0:06:01.679 are 0:06:01.679,0:06:04.169 high priest of the time of day with us on 0:06:04.169,0:06:07.380 he was a descendant of aruna and at the time of 0:06:07.380,0:06:09.039 david solomon 0:06:09.039,0:06:11.629 essentially they the idea arose that 0:06:11.629,0:06:15.150 only descendants of so though could be the hype wreaks 0:06:15.150,0:06:20.129 so this continues on for centuries but then in the him 0:06:20.129,0:06:22.910 who in the temple was too far away at the office 0:06:22.910,0:06:26.970 the high priest of the was essentially said of the bands for a few years 0:06:26.970,0:06:30.220 and there was a rebellion by a group known as the maccabees who were 0:06:30.220,0:06:32.470 essentially they were jewish 0:06:32.470,0:06:35.469 levi family but we're not set of cuts 0:06:35.469,0:06:38.009 and so they in their rebellion 0:06:38.009,0:06:38.730 day 0:06:38.730,0:06:43.159 kicked out the greeks set up an independent independent kingdom 0:06:43.159,0:06:44.949 and then um... 0:06:44.949,0:06:47.220 set their family at this kings 0:06:47.220,0:06:49.839 but they also sits took the high priest of 0:06:49.839,0:06:53.119 and so that the kings at that time were both canyon high priest 0:06:53.119,0:06:57.529 now the kings were neither of the house of david nor were they have the house of 0:06:57.529,0:06:58.760 sontag so 0:06:58.760,0:07:02.380 many jews thought well these guys have succeeded therefore they have received 0:07:02.380,0:07:06.699 the divine approval and therefore they can you know be kings and by priests 0:07:06.699,0:07:10.930 but others you said no these guys that you you know they can't agree rebellion 0:07:10.930,0:07:14.250 but they're supposed to turn power back over either to a definate family for the 0:07:14.250,0:07:15.179 king ship 0:07:15.179,0:07:18.459 or to exotic right for the high priest of it 0:07:18.459,0:07:20.050 and so there was a schism 0:07:20.050,0:07:24.330 and the people one group of people who are actually mainly a priestly clan 0:07:24.330,0:07:26.419 who were supporting 0:07:26.419,0:07:30.660 or were opposed to the maccabees having the high priest of it 0:07:30.660,0:07:32.249 they were essentially 0:07:32.249,0:07:37.759 and on turned into refugees and they became a minority group that was uh... 0:07:37.759,0:07:44.729 agitating against this and from this movement arose the who run community 0:07:44.729,0:07:49.460 which in a sense traced to live a 0:07:49.460,0:07:53.009 lifestyle in the wilderness without the temple 0:07:53.009,0:07:57.619 spots hoping for a returned to their authority over the temple and also for 0:07:57.619,0:07:59.149 god himself 0:07:59.149,0:08:00.599 to restore 0:08:00.599,0:08:02.220 the pristine temple 0:08:02.220,0:08:05.110 essentially or to restore them and power 0:08:05.110,0:08:07.510 as the the priests were running the tough 0:08:07.510,0:08:13.110 so so hold movement of kumaran grew out of a schism over a couple of forty 0:08:13.110,0:08:15.900 what's the proper ritual who should be in charge 0:08:15.900,0:08:17.060 how it should be done 0:08:17.060,0:08:21.439 and all of the dead sea scrolls that are intimately connected into this ideology 0:08:21.439,0:08:25.749 and specifically the temple scroll details how they think the temple should 0:08:25.749,0:08:27.189 be and that's what 0:08:27.189,0:08:30.809 uh... antisera talks about in this 0:08:30.809,0:08:36.130 particular passes the basement for looks like uh... treat comp 0:08:36.130,0:08:37.240 tensions are 0:08:37.240,0:08:40.279 the other thing that you need to know about in the terms of the deceased girls 0:08:40.279,0:08:45.480 as their found already by nineteen forty seven as i recall his neck her grow back 0:08:45.480,0:08:47.670 and their family and 0:08:47.670,0:08:51.830 the shepherd live orient bien and uh... caves 0:08:51.830,0:08:54.660 in this period a very desolate area 0:08:54.660,0:08:56.600 uh... and uh... 0:08:56.600,0:08:58.810 the start of our team is 0:08:58.810,0:09:04.400 scrolls coming out the turned up i believe with some 0:09:04.400,0:09:06.430 people that uh... sold them 0:09:06.430,0:09:10.490 and then uh... found out uh... how valuable they were and then there was a 0:09:10.490,0:09:14.930 concerted effort to collect a maruti thousands and thousands of fragment some 0:09:14.930,0:09:18.400 of them are very well preserved such as this temple scroller they talk about 0:09:18.400,0:09:22.560 here allot of the murders little bits and pieces that they spent 0:09:22.560,0:09:26.270 years and years years putting together a hole in the last 0:09:26.270,0:09:30.260 for five years i think is when they finally got all of them 0:09:30.260,0:09:32.130 uh... available 0:09:32.130,0:09:35.850 for everybody look at before that there was a group of scholars who 0:09:35.850,0:09:39.520 uh... you know there are qualified scholars but they kind of 0:09:39.520,0:09:41.090 uh... 0:09:41.090,0:09:42.430 protected 0:09:42.430,0:09:45.500 man in the sense that they want to be the first to write about and as i 0:09:45.500,0:09:50.130 understand that all controversy art but finally uh... is based on some pressure 0:09:50.130,0:09:52.180 that's come to the to bear 0:09:52.180,0:09:56.550 uh... everything out and everything is now available as i understand that uh... 0:09:56.550,0:09:59.400 uh... films of those uh... 0:09:59.400,0:10:02.610 all those fragments in everything in there still work going on but there's 0:10:02.610,0:10:06.300 been a lot published of course since nineteen forty-seven 0:10:06.300,0:10:10.730 and what that shows us some very interesting things for example 0:10:10.730,0:10:16.500 uh... i believe the isaiah scrolls or the oldest that they ever fat ever found 0:10:16.500,0:10:19.570 so there's actually predate in a lot of cases 0:10:19.570,0:10:23.270 the scrolls that we were used to put together our own bible 0:10:23.270,0:10:25.630 and that's all they have really 0:10:25.630,0:10:30.160 in nineteen forty-seven enormous amount of money discovery as well as some other 0:10:30.160,0:10:32.530 discovers is taking place ads 0:10:32.530,0:10:35.300 uh... they will release pushback 0:10:35.300,0:10:36.690 uh... 0:10:36.690,0:10:42.520 further than it ever been before the documents uh... that were available in 0:10:42.520,0:10:44.830 you know that uh... in terms of bible 0:10:44.830,0:10:48.740 documents and there are books that are going to bible or so you come back to 0:10:48.740,0:10:52.360 the whole idea of the canon of the bible but they're a lot of 0:10:52.360,0:10:55.410 uh... parts of the dead sea scrolls at heart 0:10:55.410,0:10:59.530 now included in the bible including of course is temples rule 0:10:59.530,0:11:02.290 and that interesting 0:11:02.290,0:11:08.020 yeah so that that that is a great great introduction to what these 0:11:08.020,0:11:12.070 the dead sea schools are where they came from the people's that uh... produce 0:11:12.070,0:11:15.620 them basically as as i understand that from 0:11:15.620,0:11:16.590 uh... 0:11:16.590,0:11:18.740 from you guys soon 0:11:18.740,0:11:20.050 the people 0:11:20.050,0:11:25.780 basically uh... word the results are the disagreement over temple authority 0:11:25.780,0:11:28.590 um... date they believe that the uh... 0:11:28.590,0:11:34.470 that departed had gone up allstate basically hit in and and temple 0:11:34.470,0:11:36.130 so they condom 0:11:36.130,0:11:39.910 they fled into the wilderness is so to speak uh... to establish their own 0:11:39.910,0:11:43.930 community where they believed they could set up the temple 0:11:43.930,0:11:45.860 in the proper 0:11:45.860,0:11:48.030 authoritative way 0:11:48.030,0:11:49.190 um... 0:11:49.190,0:11:50.710 and uh... 0:11:50.710,0:11:51.979 and and and as it 0:11:51.979,0:11:55.130 as andrea skinner gets into here he 0:11:55.130,0:11:58.920 heat makes a point in saying that the uh... 0:11:58.920,0:12:01.240 that these people made a really 0:12:01.240,0:12:04.580 i dreaded interesting connection between the 0:12:04.580,0:12:08.760 uh... making covenants with god and the temple b 0:12:08.760,0:12:11.790 those to work things were connected 0:12:11.790,0:12:13.440 come in and making in the temple 0:12:13.440,0:12:16.480 and i i like this this is sentenced where he says 0:12:16.480,0:12:20.840 the basic ideals for the company cars etc whom almost to live as though they 0:12:20.840,0:12:23.490 were in the midst of the temple itself 0:12:23.490,0:12:26.130 every minute of everyday 0:12:26.130,0:12:27.579 uh... i'd like that 0:12:27.579,0:12:30.170 that that that's that's kind of a 0:12:30.170,0:12:35.169 a similar sentiment that are prophets have often fought the latter-day saints 0:12:35.169,0:12:38.280 to to soulless 0:12:38.280,0:12:40.840 there was an attempt to around 0:12:40.840,0:12:45.740 essentially make sure that everyone in the community was prepared to enter the 0:12:45.740,0:12:47.820 temple at any moment 0:12:47.820,0:12:52.900 and there were uh... uh... series of both purity laws and also moral laws 0:12:52.900,0:12:54.940 that you have to obey 0:12:54.940,0:12:57.690 and in some ways 0:12:57.690,0:13:00.600 these were priestly laws that in 0:13:00.600,0:13:01.949 far antiquity 0:13:01.949,0:13:04.980 the priests were supposed to do this but the common people don't necessarily have 0:13:04.980,0:13:06.180 to do them all 0:13:06.180,0:13:09.960 and so what the kamon community said is no we should all with live the purity 0:13:09.960,0:13:12.409 was immoral oz of of a priest 0:13:12.409,0:13:15.420 so that we can be prepared to 0:13:15.420,0:13:18.700 into the temple whatever it might be possible and so 0:13:18.700,0:13:21.119 essentially created a pic permanent 0:13:21.119,0:13:22.230 couple 0:13:22.230,0:13:24.660 worthy community if you want to costa 0:13:24.660,0:13:27.140 very interesting 0:13:27.140,0:13:29.160 uh... absolutely 0:13:29.160,0:13:30.540 uh... and so 0:13:30.540,0:13:37.010 we get into then one on one of the texts that the dead sea scrolls of people 0:13:37.010,0:13:37.860 of wrote 0:13:37.860,0:13:40.550 essentially which was the couple school 0:13:40.550,0:13:41.559 uh... it 0:13:41.559,0:13:43.100 and and 0:13:43.100,0:13:44.720 as a and a skinner 0:13:44.720,0:13:48.410 says here in the book it was the longest of the scrolls which is 0:13:48.410,0:13:49.820 internal itself 0:13:49.820,0:13:51.540 an interesting point 0:13:51.540,0:13:52.740 um... that 0:13:52.740,0:13:55.029 that the scroll was was uh... 0:13:55.029,0:13:56.420 so long 0:13:56.420,0:13:59.710 and one of things i thought was interesting was that his senate at 0:13:59.710,0:14:00.840 that's 0:14:00.840,0:14:04.350 it purports to record the words of god to moses now 0:14:04.350,0:14:07.390 i think that that's of interest a latter-day saints 0:14:07.390,0:14:08.810 uh... solid 0:14:08.810,0:14:12.550 because we have a book called the book of moses strain 0:14:12.550,0:14:15.949 i don't know if there are any connections there have been 0:14:15.949,0:14:17.900 any connection and made 0:14:17.900,0:14:18.669 uh... 0:14:18.669,0:14:21.950 between the two books but i thought that was interesting 0:14:21.950,0:14:25.510 that raises a firsthand account we're god says i want you to do this and all 0:14:25.510,0:14:27.810 you do that whereas in 0:14:27.810,0:14:28.750 the uh... 0:14:28.750,0:14:32.680 five books of moses it's the lord said this the lord said that 0:14:32.680,0:14:34.890 urine sample scroll is 0:14:34.890,0:14:38.660 you know i will do this i want you to do this i command you to do this so it's 0:14:38.660,0:14:41.510 pitch first person that's that 0:14:41.510,0:14:43.390 and it's you know 0:14:43.390,0:14:47.570 not unique but it's it's certainly striking networker 0:14:47.570,0:14:52.040 do you wanna bill could you take us through uh... what what and a scanner 0:14:52.040,0:14:56.310 thought was interesting about the temple scroll what what uh... connection he 0:14:56.310,0:14:57.280 made 0:14:57.280,0:15:00.490 their uh... intel possible that you thought was 0:15:00.490,0:15:01.790 so fascinating 0:15:01.790,0:15:02.530 well 0:15:02.530,0:15:07.460 well he quotes from mom 0:15:07.460,0:15:14.460 you see if i can make this screen share work 0:15:17.070,0:15:18.790 news is that 0:15:18.790,0:15:23.190 we gotta this is uh... is the file megan a first-rate increased the size and 0:15:23.190,0:15:26.260 increase the size just a little bit i think you know 0:15:26.260,0:15:27.370 that better 0:15:27.370,0:15:29.920 helms marika it's gone 0:15:29.920,0:15:33.440 okay uh... this is a passages it's from the travels well 0:15:33.440,0:15:38.120 and and these documents are identified by coding numbers 0:15:38.120,0:15:41.700 that uh... you know tell you which kato came from and which uh... scroll it is 0:15:41.700,0:15:47.290 much fragments of fourth which column in which line and so this is from eleven q 0:15:47.290,0:15:51.210 which means the eleventh caper of kumaran that there's some eleven the 0:15:51.210,0:15:52.250 scrolls in them 0:15:52.250,0:15:54.180 and and then it is uh... 0:15:54.180,0:15:58.510 you know fragment or peace nineteen and then 0:15:58.510,0:16:02.230 page twenty nine and then line and so forth so so that's how they identify 0:16:02.230,0:16:02.960 them 0:16:02.960,0:16:06.840 uh... buddy rates it this is a a related to 0:16:06.840,0:16:09.740 due to run in basically the lord is saying 0:16:09.740,0:16:11.090 uh... i want you to 0:16:11.090,0:16:13.530 little uh... do these sacrifices 0:16:13.530,0:16:15.519 and you'll notice here he says 0:16:15.519,0:16:18.050 that your to do that in the temple 0:16:18.050,0:16:21.780 upon which i shall cause my name to the world and that's that's going to go 0:16:21.780,0:16:22.960 computer ronnie 0:16:22.960,0:16:26.770 where instructor twelve were the lord says the of the temple will be the place 0:16:26.770,0:16:28.279 where i will put my name 0:16:28.279,0:16:30.350 place remaining will cool things like that 0:16:30.350,0:16:32.149 repeats that repeatedly there 0:16:32.149,0:16:34.290 and then the passage the 0:16:34.290,0:16:36.990 and repair and risk in a truck about 0:16:36.990,0:16:39.600 was this one down here in uh... 0:16:39.600,0:16:40.899 the seventh room 0:16:40.899,0:16:43.920 these are lines seven through ten 0:16:43.920,0:16:45.060 uh... 0:16:45.060,0:16:47.290 the people find favor 0:16:47.290,0:16:51.510 and they should be my people i will be there's that is this is a promise from 0:16:51.510,0:16:52.820 the lord 0:16:52.820,0:16:56.550 that if the people keep the covenants they'll be his people and he will be 0:16:56.550,0:16:58.710 their garden again this is quoting 0:16:58.710,0:17:00.930 as a biblical text 0:17:00.930,0:17:05.740 uh... but this will be forever and i shall dwell with them for all eternity 0:17:05.740,0:17:07.000 need 0:17:07.000,0:17:09.319 that the temple sites 0:17:09.319,0:17:13.819 uh... will no longer be profane does it had been under the babylonians and as it 0:17:13.819,0:17:16.209 was again under anti office 0:17:16.209,0:17:19.459 and in fact as it would be again under the romans when they destroyed the 0:17:19.459,0:17:21.290 temple in seventy eighty 0:17:21.290,0:17:24.500 but this is a promise that in the true chapel 0:17:24.500,0:17:29.600 uh... dot will dwell in the temple among his people forever hurray for eternity 0:17:29.600,0:17:34.030 and then see reports the social safety for my temple with my glory 0:17:34.030,0:17:38.110 that means the temple your holy place because god's glory or his presence is 0:17:38.110,0:17:39.240 there 0:17:39.240,0:17:42.970 for idol cause my gore glory to dwell upon it 0:17:42.970,0:17:45.760 until the date of creation 0:17:45.760,0:17:47.460 now that doesn't mean that day 0:17:47.460,0:17:51.440 of eight recreation it means the day 0:17:51.440,0:17:54.800 final creation the new creation the new heaven on earth talked about the book of 0:17:54.800,0:17:56.150 revelation 0:17:56.150,0:17:58.719 when our myself or create the temple 0:17:58.719,0:18:02.760 that is god is going to bring the final perfect temple 0:18:02.760,0:18:06.840 to jerusalem the people bill that god will build up in this again is related 0:18:06.840,0:18:11.280 to book of revelation where talks about new jerusalem coming down from heaven 0:18:11.280,0:18:14.490 and the new jerusalem is a temple city where you know the twelve dates and 0:18:14.490,0:18:15.380 everything else 0:18:15.380,0:18:16.460 so she did that 0:18:16.460,0:18:17.720 and then he says 0:18:17.720,0:18:20.039 i will establish for myself 0:18:20.039,0:18:21.910 and everlasting 0:18:21.910,0:18:26.470 for everlasting in fulfillment of the company would jacob f_a_o_ 0:18:26.470,0:18:28.900 and this is genesis twenty eight 0:18:28.900,0:18:31.800 so what he's saying is essentially 0:18:31.800,0:18:36.240 uh... you know there has been this apostasy there has been this loss of the 0:18:36.240,0:18:37.940 glory of the lord's temple 0:18:37.940,0:18:43.440 but in the future of this is not the prophetic promise that the uh... no 0:18:43.440,0:18:47.580 the lord will his glory will return to the temple and dwell there 0:18:47.580,0:18:52.000 and that will be the fulfillment of the covenant made with jacob the bethel 0:18:52.000,0:18:54.410 so so this is the passage of a 0:18:54.410,0:18:59.090 uh... skinner quoted it's basically telling us that 0:18:59.090,0:19:03.590 the of this whole that they could run community had for this final perfect 0:19:03.590,0:19:06.299 internal temple dot himself will build 0:19:06.299,0:19:10.170 not bill biting the hand sometimes outs described temple made without pants 0:19:10.170,0:19:13.030 that's that's what they're discussing 0:19:13.030,0:19:17.180 there's also an arrest in connection or ben turns of the name itself 0:19:17.180,0:19:18.280 has been cell 0:19:18.280,0:19:19.370 means 0:19:19.370,0:19:21.260 house of god 0:19:21.260,0:19:27.410 warehouse lord and uh... uh... martyr barker booked on uh... gate of heaven 0:19:27.410,0:19:30.679 talks about the place the geographic location 0:19:30.679,0:19:35.510 followed by where this took place of estelle and at least ah... 0:19:35.510,0:19:37.180 or her perception 0:19:37.180,0:19:41.140 units in the chapter of the page nine page eighteen 0:19:41.140,0:19:44.270 the head of the chapter entitled the house and the lord 0:19:44.270,0:19:46.440 she's talking about the rock 0:19:46.440,0:19:50.240 when it turns out to be a very interesting place because 0:19:50.240,0:19:54.279 uh... reportedly were this took place when jacob had the vision 0:19:54.279,0:19:57.820 and he could see the uh... angels going up and down the ladder which turns out 0:19:57.820,0:20:02.370 to be talk a lot of people calls from the often he's very typical of the 0:20:02.370,0:20:04.370 precancerous profits 0:20:04.370,0:20:05.910 arm 0:20:05.910,0:20:09.669 basically talks about tone that's also where 0:20:09.669,0:20:11.669 or uh... 0:20:11.669,0:20:14.960 we became the site had many great events in israel's history and his brother just 0:20:14.960,0:20:16.720 reading that 0:20:16.720,0:20:19.940 dust was great to have a staunch preetam 0:20:19.940,0:20:22.669 this is all traditional and wouldn't you know 0:20:22.669,0:20:24.159 stories but 0:20:24.159,0:20:28.159 uh... adam can able offered their sacrifices their abraham and mark as the 0:20:28.159,0:20:29.250 gmat 0:20:29.250,0:20:34.120 iran cannot offer isaac is a sacrifice and jacob slap their when he saw the 0:20:34.120,0:20:36.330 latter which reach up to heaven 0:20:36.330,0:20:39.650 the temple was built on a crucial spot and basically 0:20:39.650,0:20:44.170 ordered unit that's where the dollar iraq is now where the uh... temple was 0:20:44.170,0:20:49.880 built so it's image a graphical sense it also has a lot of uh... connections news 0:20:49.880,0:20:50.750 that i did 0:20:50.750,0:20:51.760 uh... 0:20:51.760,0:20:54.570 throw that in because of those related to the place 0:20:54.570,0:20:58.530 and an existing temple as well as the future temple 0:20:58.530,0:21:00.960 that's that is interesting 0:21:00.960,0:21:04.530 for those uh... listeners that are listening in and don't know what would 0:21:04.530,0:21:08.780 jake about bedfellows then we could talk a little bit about that 0:21:08.780,0:21:12.320 very interesting uh... passage of scripture genesis 0:21:12.320,0:21:17.880 uh... chapter twenty eight uh... where jacob has uh... 0:21:17.880,0:21:21.210 uh... vision of sorts of dream 0:21:21.210,0:21:24.250 uh... wherein he gcs basically 0:21:24.250,0:21:25.440 this 0:21:25.440,0:21:26.179 uh... 0:21:26.179,0:21:27.670 he sees a 0:21:27.670,0:21:30.529 a wider extending up into heaven 0:21:30.529,0:21:34.470 and i have a few different examples here here's here's another one 0:21:34.470,0:21:37.520 uh... he sees a wider extending from the earth 0:21:37.520,0:21:40.190 up into the heavens 0:21:40.190,0:21:44.740 and he sees a danger all's ascending descending on this latter 0:21:44.740,0:21:49.740 and he sees the lord at the top and uh... 0:21:49.740,0:21:50.830 the award 0:21:50.830,0:21:53.980 uh... basically says the jake of that 0:21:53.980,0:21:55.290 um... 0:21:55.290,0:21:57.530 he will 0:21:57.530,0:21:59.159 and down in west 0:21:59.159,0:22:00.179 uh... 0:22:00.179,0:22:04.740 uh... a large posterity and uh... and uh... 0:22:04.740,0:22:06.750 land and and 0:22:06.750,0:22:08.990 these great guests 0:22:08.990,0:22:11.350 arm 0:22:11.350,0:22:15.150 can get either of you comment on on this uh... this vision what what this is what 0:22:15.150,0:22:21.810 is the symbolism here of the latter 0:22:21.810,0:22:25.320 letter probably is just a uh... depiction 0:22:25.320,0:22:29.560 of what many of the profits unseen including um... lehigh at the first of 0:22:29.560,0:22:31.110 the book of mormon 0:22:31.110,0:22:34.870 and uh... sometimes is characterized as joseph smith did a pillar of that you 0:22:34.870,0:22:39.340 know animate polymeric and an entryway into heaven 0:22:39.340,0:22:41.660 and uh... and i don't know 0:22:41.660,0:22:44.330 nobody ever taken a look at the 0:22:44.330,0:22:47.649 the ritual word for the letter there 0:22:47.649,0:22:49.330 at least i think it's did 0:22:49.330,0:22:51.640 it communicates is a passageway 0:22:51.640,0:22:53.330 into heaven 0:22:53.330,0:22:58.020 do you think the difficult mission analyze they had one easy to have one 0:22:58.020,0:22:59.610 that daniel 0:22:59.610,0:23:02.210 or drawing revelers 0:23:02.210,0:23:03.430 we all have the same 0:23:03.430,0:23:05.190 basic uh... 0:23:05.190,0:23:06.960 when experience 0:23:06.960,0:23:09.659 and that is that they saw god 0:23:09.659,0:23:11.950 and then uh... his son 0:23:11.950,0:23:13.159 the son of god 0:23:13.159,0:23:16.299 one is uh... next to him on his right hand 0:23:16.299,0:23:17.720 uh... 0:23:17.720,0:23:22.060 and uh... just quoting from there is a nerve from genesis twenty eight-year-old 0:23:22.060,0:23:23.930 a large stood above it 0:23:23.930,0:23:27.910 and set out in the lord god of abraham by father and the god of isaac 0:23:27.910,0:23:31.610 land whereupon now lying around allies to the would give it 0:23:31.610,0:23:33.440 and licy 0:23:33.440,0:23:36.430 they see shelby is the best of the earth's natural spread abroad to the 0:23:36.430,0:23:37.610 west 0:23:37.610,0:23:40.680 anyway then west but what typically happens with these profits as they come 0:23:40.680,0:23:43.809 back and explain what's happened here 0:23:43.809,0:23:45.290 but it's all 0:23:45.290,0:23:47.230 related to the temple 0:23:47.230,0:23:49.500 because it be deals with 0:23:49.500,0:23:52.929 being able to be admitted into the presence of the war that's really what 0:23:52.929,0:23:55.590 this is about and the halls of heaven 0:23:55.590,0:23:58.340 with uh... the angels nat roundabout 0:23:58.340,0:24:00.919 are also very typical of nearly temple 0:24:00.919,0:24:05.020 that description what's taking place there and it's also similar to what 0:24:05.020,0:24:07.580 happened in the great high priest were to the high priest 0:24:07.580,0:24:09.350 we were going going always 0:24:09.350,0:24:10.850 uh... what's here 0:24:10.850,0:24:13.330 and i'm not talking about these 0:24:13.330,0:24:14.580 when 0:24:14.580,0:24:19.220 well beyond the original first of all the songs sample kind of 0:24:19.220,0:24:24.549 you that experience 0:24:24.549,0:24:28.039 you have a constitution 0:24:28.039,0:24:29.289 uh... 0:24:29.289,0:24:31.320 worker and i 0:24:31.320,0:24:32.950 accordance program 0:24:32.950,0:24:36.529 with the passage talks about uh... dreaming here 0:24:36.529,0:24:41.919 continues the district attorney register 0:24:41.919,0:24:45.140 and then it says there's a letter that was set up on the earth not knowing 0:24:45.140,0:24:47.419 hebrew this is the strong here 0:24:47.419,0:24:50.120 uh... so long which means 0:24:50.120,0:24:52.440 the survey particularly letter 0:24:52.440,0:24:55.960 but something that allows you to go up to a higher place 0:24:55.960,0:25:00.100 so so to be a stairway it could be a ramp it could be you know it's it's not 0:25:00.100,0:25:02.190 eletters we conceptualize 0:25:02.190,0:25:05.759 that's better way to translate it but it's something that allows you to ascend 0:25:05.759,0:25:09.980 so so there is something that permits ascension that he sees 0:25:09.980,0:25:12.630 and then it reaches up into heaven 0:25:12.630,0:25:16.790 and then what you've seen is at the top of the 0:25:16.790,0:25:18.360 bussell armor the 0:25:18.360,0:25:23.230 the ran for whatever is uh... the heavenly temple or god it appears that 0:25:23.230,0:25:24.430 at the gateway 0:25:24.430,0:25:29.080 and then the angels are sending in descending and they are performing the 0:25:29.080,0:25:30.600 priestly functions 0:25:30.600,0:25:34.500 inevitably couple people worshipping god and so forth but also then coming back 0:25:34.500,0:25:38.929 down to earth and interacting with humans and then going back up the car so 0:25:38.929,0:25:41.580 hope the lord is up there and then he 0:25:41.580,0:25:42.860 makes a profit 0:25:42.860,0:25:43.820 win-win 0:25:43.820,0:25:47.010 essentially joseph earth jacob sees this 0:25:47.010,0:25:50.309 but god makes a covenant with him about this uh... 0:25:50.309,0:25:52.520 you know at the gate of the celestial temple 0:25:52.520,0:25:55.130 and then when its when it's over 0:25:55.130,0:25:59.530 uh... jacobs responses down here in uh... 0:25:59.530,0:26:00.820 in sixteen 0:26:00.820,0:26:03.310 the lord is in this place 0:26:03.310,0:26:05.660 uh... it is the house of god 0:26:05.660,0:26:10.110 and in hebrew that is uh... 0:26:10.110,0:26:14.420 where to go it's not line up there 0:26:14.420,0:26:16.130 secre 0:26:16.130,0:26:18.809 computers at work it is the uh... 0:26:18.809,0:26:20.390 the bait 0:26:20.390,0:26:25.400 a low-key were so the house of god and then it's also the gate of heaven 0:26:25.400,0:26:29.700 main it is there there's a doorway or something that leads him to have an 0:26:29.700,0:26:30.370 invite 0:26:30.370,0:26:33.840 by sending this this rampart lederer stairway 0:26:33.840,0:26:34.889 stairway to heaven 0:26:34.889,0:26:37.850 ideology comes from this that you're entering into heaven 0:26:37.850,0:26:41.640 and so when he sees this he takes their the rock and she dreamed 0:26:41.640,0:26:44.220 the he was sleeping and reading on this rock 0:26:44.220,0:26:45.789 and he chorizo 0:26:45.789,0:26:48.230 property essentially consecrated 0:26:48.230,0:26:52.930 raises up it's called amounts of oil hebrew and then he makes its i'm he says 0:26:52.930,0:26:58.380 this is the temple about this new rock just a a monument of the offer any 0:26:58.380,0:27:00.490 discussed any rocks thrown 0:27:00.490,0:27:01.600 it's anywhere 0:27:01.600,0:27:04.040 can can be a temple in that sense 0:27:04.040,0:27:09.510 so he is creating a very primordial form of a temple which is simply a racial 0:27:09.510,0:27:12.519 we see this the popping out that uh... 0:27:12.519,0:27:16.140 uh... sinai where they raise twelve cells and it killed all one across the 0:27:16.140,0:27:19.490 jordan river they their age twelve stones of the reason the stone 0:27:19.490,0:27:20.559 is is 0:27:20.559,0:27:23.090 of very nomadic way to make 0:27:23.090,0:27:26.830 a sacred spot edges marking the theology but racism 0:27:26.830,0:27:29.019 run dictating tennessee that same 0:27:29.019,0:27:34.759 sort of thing taking place when uh... uh... the profits buildup uh... stone 0:27:34.759,0:27:37.870 alters uh... i'd imagine that night also 0:27:37.870,0:27:43.639 as i say mom symbolism of of raising the stone 0:27:43.639,0:27:45.220 the altar spin the 0:27:45.220,0:27:49.740 temple was uh... it had to be a un capstone on himself 0:27:49.740,0:27:52.470 that is it had to be rough native stone 0:27:52.470,0:27:54.190 just like the patriarch would have done 0:27:54.190,0:27:56.340 there is a stocking shelves piled them up 0:27:56.340,0:27:57.760 created all perform 0:27:57.760,0:28:00.619 had ahead of much of our standing stone by that time 0:28:00.619,0:28:01.770 and that would be it 0:28:01.770,0:28:05.560 so they wanted the temple to represent this archaic 0:28:05.560,0:28:07.289 uh... aspect of 0:28:07.289,0:28:10.000 patriarchal mama it 0:28:10.000,0:28:10.990 alters 0:28:10.990,0:28:14.669 through the prototype for the temple 0:28:14.669,0:28:18.559 i think it's also interesting how jacob immediately after having this dream 0:28:18.559,0:28:23.360 where you he basically experiences this uh... 0:28:23.360,0:28:27.550 this continent uh... that he makes with the word word that the lord made with 0:28:27.550,0:28:28.529 him 0:28:28.529,0:28:31.510 in his dream immediately after he 0:28:31.510,0:28:33.660 basically says okay 0:28:33.660,0:28:38.560 this where i'm sitting where i have this is a temple because i am because of the 0:28:38.560,0:28:40.550 covenant that was made 0:28:40.550,0:28:43.090 uh... and so that that 0:28:43.090,0:28:47.250 again reinforces that connection between covenants 0:28:47.250,0:28:49.580 and temples 0:28:49.580,0:28:53.549 right here asking if you go to disney book that we've been reading your 0:28:53.549,0:28:57.650 uh... married you only apparently implies that the events of the sellers 0:28:57.650,0:28:59.139 and we've just gone through 0:28:59.139,0:29:00.330 constituted 0:29:00.330,0:29:02.590 jacobs endowment 0:29:02.590,0:29:05.679 which is kind of an interesting take on that 0:29:05.679,0:29:07.470 now that the other 0:29:07.470,0:29:12.300 and like al he puts here's in the book uh... president ron media or he kind of 0:29:12.300,0:29:13.700 relates that 0:29:13.700,0:29:18.550 the covenants that he made with the lowered as the wrongs on the latter 0:29:18.550,0:29:20.910 yeah it's an interesting uh... 0:29:20.910,0:29:22.070 way to put up 0:29:22.070,0:29:24.310 yeah that's a very cheap the christian 0:29:24.310,0:29:28.170 uh... way of looking at it to the monks search on clean actress famous six 0:29:28.170,0:29:29.840 century mark a 0:29:29.840,0:29:31.409 wrote a book called the 0:29:31.409,0:29:33.540 letter of heaven and uh... 0:29:33.540,0:29:37.389 described all the monastic rules he truly was a different ran 0:29:37.389,0:29:40.679 and as you eight billion got the first ruled on then you go to the next one go 0:29:40.679,0:29:44.139 to the next one in fact one of those illustrations you showed was from his 0:29:44.139,0:29:45.919 book the john paul really 0:29:45.919,0:29:46.860 ko kya 0:29:46.860,0:29:50.220 i think it's that is uh... of the monks 0:29:50.220,0:29:52.030 ascending the latter 0:29:52.030,0:29:53.010 as i 0:29:53.010,0:29:54.670 though the next one i thought 0:29:54.670,0:29:57.010 uh... incident 0:29:57.010,0:29:58.460 this month dot dot 0:29:58.460,0:29:59.660 that piece of the uh... 0:29:59.660,0:30:04.040 uh... that's gone the the devils are pulling the monks often seen hang in 0:30:04.040,0:30:06.820 there you know by the the the latter they're trying to 0:30:06.820,0:30:08.450 going on but uh... 0:30:08.450,0:30:10.880 yeah but one that right there 0:30:10.880,0:30:12.990 do you see the moscow in the middle of the loop 0:30:12.990,0:30:16.570 uh... dan all in the months off the letter is that right 0:30:16.570,0:30:17.410 so this is 0:30:17.410,0:30:21.900 as each step was a different monastic rule i think he had at number forty of 0:30:21.900,0:30:23.060 them are something like that 0:30:23.060,0:30:27.430 and is with us actually perfection that you follow these rules at the end you 0:30:27.430,0:30:29.220 get on the last from its perfection 0:30:29.220,0:30:32.090 so it was their way of of kind of uh... 0:30:32.090,0:30:36.040 describing the same type of idea that the president was was talking about in 0:30:36.040,0:30:38.280 that truck 0:30:38.280,0:30:42.350 name if i could maybe just read that paragraph about n 0:30:42.350,0:30:46.160 that to do is described in great britain drama jacob not only passed through the 0:30:46.160,0:30:47.340 gate of heaven 0:30:47.340,0:30:48.590 we've just been talking about 0:30:48.590,0:30:52.730 which is the temple it was equated in what we just ran example 0:30:52.730,0:30:56.409 will by living up to every comment he also went all the way in 0:30:56.409,0:30:59.230 of him and his forbearers abraham and isaac 0:30:59.230,0:31:03.320 warda said because they did not other things and i wish they were commanded 0:31:03.320,0:31:07.360 they had entered into their exaltation according to the promises and set up on 0:31:07.360,0:31:08.200 thrones 0:31:08.200,0:31:09.750 and are not angel's 0:31:09.750,0:31:13.440 murdoch's quoting sectional drinking doctrine and covenants 0:31:13.440,0:31:15.219 temple temple seasons 0:31:15.219,0:31:17.720 part of a house fall 0:31:17.720,0:31:24.639 there was to take it 0:31:24.639,0:31:27.130 i'd like this this uh... 0:31:27.130,0:31:29.060 we see this 0:31:29.060,0:31:33.410 you know here were looking at the symbolism of the the rungs of the latter 0:31:33.410,0:31:36.760 as kind of this step-by-step progression 0:31:36.760,0:31:42.789 and we see in this again and again and i think a lot i didn't even realize this 0:31:42.789,0:31:45.450 until i started studying the temple that 0:31:45.450,0:31:48.700 that it is uh... heavenly a sense 0:31:48.700,0:31:50.200 and uh... tristan 0:31:50.200,0:31:52.050 sense of the the word 0:31:52.050,0:31:54.290 uh... the temple is a is 0:31:54.290,0:31:59.130 the way we make our way back to have been and that's an upward progression 0:31:59.130,0:32:00.690 and like in this 0:32:00.690,0:32:03.850 uh... drain that jacob had it was wrong is on a ladder but 0:32:03.850,0:32:05.810 and other places its 0:32:05.810,0:32:10.889 yet so i can anna sent through three different levels for example war 0:32:10.889,0:32:15.619 or per operation through three different honest separations of rooms and u_s_ the 0:32:15.619,0:32:19.890 central pop art of of a building like 0:32:19.890,0:32:22.260 for example uh... temple building 0:32:22.260,0:32:29.260 or on even i have an example here on which isn't an interesting one of uh... 0:32:29.780,0:32:32.020 the uh... i and our apt 0:32:32.020,0:32:34.880 uh... temple 0:32:34.880,0:32:37.390 uh... 0:32:37.390,0:32:38.509 which is 0:32:38.509,0:32:42.130 which is interesting solely because uh... 0:32:42.130,0:32:44.630 in this terrible they actually show 0:32:44.630,0:32:46.270 they actually have 0:32:46.270,0:32:52.830 really large footprints in actually and imprinted into the grand dad 0:32:52.830,0:32:57.990 progressing from the door of the temple all the way into the very uh... holy a 0:32:57.990,0:33:00.360 center of of the temple and 0:33:00.360,0:33:04.380 maybe dole you could you could shed some more light on that one 0:33:04.380,0:33:06.210 yeah this is a temple 0:33:06.210,0:33:09.090 uh... and syria that's a very 0:33:09.090,0:33:12.909 similar in its broad features two the solomonic temple 0:33:12.909,0:33:17.990 and uh... the idea here being that uh... the footprints probably represent the 0:33:17.990,0:33:20.870 footprints left by god as he enters temple 0:33:20.870,0:33:24.520 uh... that the other alternative might be that the the footprints that the 0:33:24.520,0:33:29.290 priest is supposed to follow as easy as it comes to god represented by the image 0:33:29.290,0:33:33.620 in the chapel but they're they're very large there or oversized footprints and 0:33:33.620,0:33:35.490 you can see the listeners 0:33:35.490,0:33:39.519 those people standing up for all the songs for just in the upper left-hand 0:33:39.519,0:33:43.649 corner compared to the size of these footprints out there general assumption 0:33:43.649,0:33:47.100 is that they're they're defined footprints 0:33:47.100,0:33:49.020 and so represents 0:33:49.020,0:33:52.220 a sign of the presence of god to seize walk through the other day got that 0:33:52.220,0:33:53.630 right 0:33:53.630,0:33:55.450 exactly uh... 0:33:55.450,0:33:56.790 but uh... 0:33:56.790,0:34:00.710 you can still see this sometimes in uh... 0:34:00.710,0:34:06.380 in christian and muslim sites if you go to the uh... churches the ascension at 0:34:06.380,0:34:09.299 on uh... the mount of olives 0:34:09.299,0:34:12.549 that the the protection of the most of the ascension of the muslims or 0:34:12.549,0:34:16.629 controlled but uh... there there at the show you the footprint that jesus left 0:34:16.629,0:34:20.279 as he is ascended into heaven and the muslims will show you the same thing in 0:34:20.279,0:34:22.929 the uh... and bill that the rock 0:34:22.929,0:34:26.539 that there's a footprint that were mohammed stood up before you send it 0:34:26.539,0:34:27.200 back up 0:34:27.200,0:34:29.490 so so the idea that the 0:34:29.490,0:34:31.099 prophetic redefine figure 0:34:31.099,0:34:33.249 fata figure relieved 0:34:33.249,0:34:37.579 some type of sign a token of his presence as appropriate 0:34:37.579,0:34:39.439 and those are always 0:34:39.439,0:34:43.810 uh... bare feet because you always take off your your feet litter the temple 0:34:43.810,0:34:45.989 and washing of the fee is eight 0:34:45.989,0:34:50.029 preparative preparation that for for entry into the temple ceremony 0:34:50.029,0:34:53.319 uh... but leave it there the the footprint that becomes kind of a marker 0:34:53.319,0:34:55.389 a token of the presence of god 0:34:55.389,0:34:57.129 kissing 0:34:57.129,0:34:59.439 it is interesting and eat 0:34:59.439,0:35:03.050 do you do the footprints also can accomodate this 0:35:03.050,0:35:07.599 step-by-step progression and as you get closer to god 0:35:07.599,0:35:09.640 arms 0:35:09.640,0:35:14.599 that's that's possible but in the in that sample because they're so cute it's 0:35:14.599,0:35:16.779 generally thought that there 0:35:16.779,0:35:17.890 the divine 0:35:17.890,0:35:22.320 uh... market-driven presence but i guess in the sense that that probably the 0:35:22.320,0:35:23.729 priests 0:35:23.729,0:35:27.920 fall over walked in the footprints or follow the paths outlined by these 0:35:27.920,0:35:28.960 footprints too 0:35:28.960,0:35:30.469 and the presence of god 0:35:30.469,0:35:31.700 by their image 0:35:31.700,0:35:37.039 uh... that that they are following dug into this his presence in that regard so 0:35:37.039,0:35:44.039 out that i think it's a a spin-off from that idea interesting 0:35:44.239,0:35:45.209 well-guarded 0:35:45.209,0:35:47.259 um... 0:35:47.259,0:35:51.609 do we do we want to go on or or do we think that's that's good for this 0:35:51.609,0:35:56.769 evening 0:35:56.769,0:35:58.930 there's pretty good seeking 0:35:58.930,0:36:00.409 what do you think 0:36:00.409,0:36:05.219 i'm just thinking that uh... and my just campaign 0:36:05.219,0:36:08.529 florida maybe they should be introduction in the book just because 0:36:08.529,0:36:13.399 the he then goes on to his in things that resume see he was a 0:36:13.399,0:36:17.509 flor called residents only temple 0:36:17.509,0:36:19.439 said that 0:36:19.439,0:36:22.529 when he was set apart by president hinckley 0:36:22.529,0:36:25.639 that he taught him the importance of the temple 0:36:25.639,0:36:29.309 in command of them to speak about temple attendance at all times and all things 0:36:29.309,0:36:32.019 in all places he may be an 0:36:32.019,0:36:33.859 and you know 0:36:33.859,0:36:38.169 the relationship irritated important tests as individuals 0:36:38.169,0:36:41.689 if we're talking about how important the temple was 0:36:41.689,0:36:42.729 too 0:36:42.729,0:36:43.750 drinkin 0:36:43.750,0:36:47.709 to abraham to all of these uh... profits 0:36:47.709,0:36:48.789 uh... 0:36:48.789,0:36:50.630 not that we're going to go through the same 0:36:50.630,0:36:53.159 empathy off any experience 0:36:53.159,0:36:57.489 uh... necessarily but they're representing the warm 0:36:57.489,0:36:59.699 the example 0:36:59.699,0:37:00.729 orn 0:37:00.729,0:37:04.789 is that we're all trying to get back into the presence of war 0:37:04.789,0:37:06.699 in the temple is the place 0:37:06.699,0:37:07.909 we go 0:37:07.909,0:37:09.189 to do that 0:37:09.189,0:37:12.359 inciting there is very obvious 0:37:12.359,0:37:13.860 but no it doesn't hurt too 0:37:13.860,0:37:15.419 say the very obvious 0:37:15.419,0:37:18.029 uh... because that's exactly what's that 0:37:18.029,0:37:19.819 scanner does in his book 0:37:19.819,0:37:23.169 he said that's what resumes he was told by president-elect 0:37:23.169,0:37:24.099 uh... 0:37:24.099,0:37:27.440 so we had a try to figure that out and you say that's why 0:37:27.440,0:37:31.629 it's one of the reasons that we need to learn in my opinion about the temple 0:37:31.629,0:37:37.709 and we need to then go and experience european and uh... 0:37:37.709,0:37:41.329 net service and as he says in the service of the war 0:37:41.329,0:37:42.179 uh... 0:37:42.179,0:37:45.399 and maybe i could just be skip to the uh... 0:37:45.399,0:37:48.339 equivocal that he's when he talks about the unequivocal trips that were 0:37:48.339,0:37:50.729 confirmed 0:37:50.729,0:37:53.809 the scanner by the star trek resume see 0:37:53.809,0:37:58.939 uh... number one the temple as we all know place of cabinet making activity 0:37:58.939,0:38:02.069 the temples the all the place of learning immortality and i know that you 0:38:02.069,0:38:03.499 never used to say 0:38:03.499,0:38:05.409 pass the word university 0:38:05.409,0:38:07.559 that's rarely go to learn 0:38:07.559,0:38:09.519 modesto 0:38:09.519,0:38:12.789 that missouri and and and truly 0:38:12.789,0:38:17.049 it's characterizes the mysteries that's where you are in the streets the bill 0:38:17.049,0:38:17.770 no 0:38:17.770,0:38:20.809 the temples holiest really where heaven and earth 0:38:20.809,0:38:22.489 tiger the attorney 0:38:22.489,0:38:25.269 god and man come together 0:38:25.269,0:38:30.209 and then he said the promises family temple road i crave for myself 0:38:30.209,0:38:33.399 my family and my friends 0:38:33.399,0:38:34.819 won't maybe thats 0:38:34.819,0:38:36.599 gonna wait a 0:38:36.599,0:38:41.710 now goes to the next two point which would teams to him and his chapter seven 0:38:41.710,0:38:44.309 finishes out the uh... 0:38:44.309,0:38:46.569 united action 0:38:46.569,0:38:50.779 and and i think that uh... business experience that jacob had as they 0:38:50.779,0:38:52.449 marvelous 0:38:52.449,0:38:54.409 example it is now 0:38:54.409,0:38:58.199 replicated if you are looking for those kinds of things 0:38:58.199,0:39:02.789 uh... in and many other experiences they've both the mission of lehigh 0:39:02.789,0:39:04.409 and the fight 0:39:04.409,0:39:06.789 when as i said earlier ezekiel 0:39:06.789,0:39:08.329 and daniel 0:39:08.329,0:39:09.809 uh... 0:39:09.809,0:39:11.289 rosanna 0:39:11.289,0:39:14.479 all of them if you know what you're looking for had that experience and 0:39:14.479,0:39:16.089 another thing is 0:39:16.089,0:39:18.619 the another consideration 0:39:18.619,0:39:19.430 uh... 0:39:19.430,0:39:21.280 if you recall right 0:39:21.280,0:39:23.589 try to figure that what what was done 0:39:23.589,0:39:27.189 peter doing what about the tabernacle 0:39:27.189,0:39:30.049 israelis apple yes as a bill 0:39:30.049,0:39:31.999 these three-time apples 0:39:31.999,0:39:36.869 and until i got into redeemer barker and really getting into the samples dot 0:39:36.869,0:39:40.269 notebook batteries and marathons the doing 0:39:40.269,0:39:45.499 and is like bill said earlier that's exactly what you do it if you haven't 0:39:45.499,0:39:50.179 unit has been an experience like jacob had 0:39:50.179,0:39:53.909 that's what you do you've got people temple and in that sense was a better 0:39:53.909,0:40:00.909 nako but obviously know the tabernacle zagreb richard rubin tucson stempel 0:40:01.289,0:40:02.759 absolutely 0:40:02.759,0:40:06.329 that thank you for that day care that's a great way to 0:40:06.329,0:40:09.939 to kind of finalize you know the the parts of of the end of the center 0:40:09.939,0:40:11.049 duction it 0:40:11.049,0:40:15.319 heated up my plates was a lot of emphasis on you know the temple and and 0:40:15.319,0:40:17.159 as a as a central 0:40:17.159,0:40:18.569 focus of 0:40:18.569,0:40:20.890 our worship early in in the church 0:40:20.890,0:40:22.639 it should be the focus 0:40:22.639,0:40:23.420 uh... 0:40:23.420,0:40:26.269 and i'd like here at the end he says you know 0:40:26.269,0:40:29.119 uh... 0:40:29.119,0:40:32.459 that's the place of all time the blessings and the most important place 0:40:32.459,0:40:33.699 on earth 0:40:33.699,0:40:34.380 uh... 0:40:34.380,0:40:37.920 perhaps all of us get caught up at one time or another in the thick of ten 0:40:37.920,0:40:40.209 things i i really like that 0:40:40.209,0:40:40.940 uh... 0:40:40.940,0:40:43.469 but uh... 0:40:43.469,0:40:45.920 hopefully as we get into you know 0:40:45.920,0:40:49.579 uh... studying about the temple learning more about the blessings that we can 0:40:49.579,0:40:52.049 receive from temple attendance 0:40:52.049,0:40:55.589 we can refocus ourselves on on what matters most 0:40:55.589,0:41:02.589 and uh... that is basically making our way back to our heavenly father 0:41:03.099,0:41:06.889 yeah nation societies the the essence of the temple was the place where you 0:41:06.889,0:41:08.859 entered the presence of god 0:41:08.859,0:41:11.739 you're listening to yar cry which means 0:41:11.739,0:41:14.539 ugt stand before the face of dot 0:41:14.539,0:41:15.280 the face of 0:41:15.280,0:41:17.859 at the base of the world and so 0:41:17.859,0:41:20.190 that that's the essence in every single 0:41:20.190,0:41:22.509 cultures or world 0:41:22.509,0:41:26.409 temple is a place where you need god and that's now 0:41:26.409,0:41:27.489 core 0:41:27.489,0:41:32.799 ingredients uh... the essential ingredient of uh... of mr 0:41:32.799,0:41:37.489 and patiently you know the temple was the place of the divine presence that's 0:41:37.489,0:41:39.299 where god kane 0:41:39.299,0:41:41.309 to interact with with man 0:41:41.309,0:41:44.719 and i was the connection point they gate of heaven the 0:41:44.719,0:41:46.809 the point on point of entry 0:41:46.809,0:41:48.959 uh... and all that 0:41:48.959,0:41:50.630 now 0:41:50.630,0:41:52.320 over regarded i read 0:41:52.320,0:41:54.699 i certainly appreciate uh... 0:41:54.699,0:41:59.749 you both for having joined us on this evening uh... to have our a little 0:41:59.749,0:42:03.979 discussion about the time point because i think this is a valuable i think it's 0:42:03.979,0:42:07.929 helpful for assaults a to learn a little bit more about the temple 0:42:07.929,0:42:11.829 uh... get sent antecedents throughout history 0:42:11.829,0:42:14.620 nam perhaps a little understand all of them or what 0:42:14.620,0:42:15.649 what are 0:42:15.649,0:42:19.479 modern temple tradition is all about what why we go to the temple 0:42:19.479,0:42:24.229 and uh... i appreciate uh... you joining us tonight uh... 0:42:24.229,0:42:26.379 help us understand all the better 0:42:26.379,0:42:29.959 those things button 0:42:29.959,0:42:32.209 thanks a lot to getting together dress 0:42:32.209,0:42:35.829 you're you're welcome i hope i hope we can do some more of us 0:42:35.829,0:42:37.839 with ryan 0:42:37.839,0:42:42.109 alright well well uh... sign off for tonight and uh... 0:42:42.109,0:42:44.759 we we hope to see again 0:42:44.759,0:42:45.759 twitter 0:42:45.759,0:42:46.480 alert 0:42:46.480,0:42:47.449 also has a letter