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  1. Bryce,

    I just finished your paper. It’s clear you put a lot of time into it, and I think you’ve explained well the way these ideas have captivated people for millennia. Even though I’m not a fan of Dan Brown’s writing, he seems to have a talent for crafting stories around potent ideas.

  2. Bryce,

    I’ve thought for many years that Plato’s Allegory of the Cave was very close to LDS doctrine of the pre-existence, and our belief that the spiritual creation of everything in our material world happened in another sphere prior to the physical/mortal creation. Thus, I found your paper extremely interesting and thought -provoking.

  3. Rodney Palmer

    I just finished the much anticipated novel and really liked it. I loved reading your impressions of the novel. It was nice to read a synopsis of the “tidbits” relating to Mormonism. I especially liked the theme of theosis and the references to measurable intelligences. I’ve always been intrigued by the concept/”science” of the power of en masse prayer. Backhand compliment, was my exact thought when I read the reference to “magic glasses”. Bellamy’s thoughts on page 211 rang true. “I’ve learned never to close my mind to an idea simply because it seems miraculous.”

  4. Wow Bryce! This is one of your most intriguing posts to date. I am actually looking forward to reading Browns novel now (I’m on the 6 month library wait-list … definitely not willing to invest in the hardback). Meantime, I’ll let you know my thoughts after reading your Plato’s Cave “novelette”. :)

  5. I just downloaded “The Lost Symbol” to my Kindle, and I’m looking forward to reading it. However, I’m thinking that I might enjoy reading your paper first! Very interesting thoughts to consider, in relation to temple worship, today. Thanks :-)

  6. Barbara Jean Byrem

    I look forward to reading you paper, will do so later today. Just finished “The Lost Symbol” and was intrigued by the comments about “Joseph Smith and the Magic galsses” and “baptisms of the dead”. It seemed to me that Mr. Brown included them as common conceptions of the world, in general, regarding Mormonism. In my circle of friends and aquaintences I find this NOT to be true. Also, was his comparison of “Joseph Smith and the magic galsses” to “Moses parting the Red Sea” a backhanded complment or a way to lending credibility to Mormonism in other religious circles. Just some of my thoughts, while reading the book, it was interesting that so many of the “theories” in the novel supported basic LDS belief, not the least of which was the basis for “The Word”.

  7. Riley

    “I don’t know of any other religious faith that believes that spirit is matter, finer and more pure matter, but nonetheless has a mass.”

    I think Theosophy does . Although it seems that it wasn’t organized until a little after Joseph Smith’s life. It’s main founder, Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, would have been quite young when Joseph Smith died. The “religion” wasn’t founded until approx 1875.

    The way I understand it, Theosophists believe that all beings possess “aetheric bodies” and thatthey are composed of “aetheric matter” which is composed of smaller particles of fine, pure matter which is different than ordinary physical matter.*

    *Powell, A.E. The Solar System London:1930 The Theosophical Publishing House (A Complete Outline of the Theosophical Scheme of Evolution) See “Lifewave” chart (refer to index)

  8. Dennis

    (I received the following comment from Dennis.)

    I really enjoyed your insights on the Dan Brown book “The Lost Symbols.” I’m an LDS member with a (CTR) (I’m not referring to the ring, it can also mean “Current Temple Recommend.”)

    One concept that I’ve personally pondered upon has to do with certain recent findings in regard to studies on quantum theory and string theory. I could tell from both your direct and indirect inferences in what you’ve written regarding the temple, that you’ve also pondered on the nature of the dimensional qualities that make up our mortal experience.

    I’m not an expert in the demanding disciplines of physics, nor quantum theory. Still a resonant chord is struck in me, spiritually and intellectually, when I realize that many of these scientists have begun to describe ideas that could easily be interpreted and summarized in the simplest of language in D&C 88.

    What many of these mathematicians and particle physicists are writing and saying about their results are still very inconclusive, but they admit that there are other dimensions than the one we observe. Many of these men and women are atheists (or agnostics). but still, they are unwitting touching upon some measurable, (but unpredictable) truths about the fabric of space and the character of matter.

    A few findings these physicists report on greatly suggest that the universe we are currently experiencing and are currently “locked into” as it were, seems to be interconnected with other universes or dimensions. Some string theorists are saying that in “M-theory it appears there are 11 dimensional and controlling components within calbi-yau, 3-fold branes. This can be easily implied in our “3 directional” dimensional coordinates, (up & down, side to side, and forward and back,) plus a time dimension. However, within each 3-brane bundle those same directional dimensions co-exist, each defining a singular “space” and all three of these bundles contain a time and a control property.) It appears this control property(or radiation) is in all things and over all things, with the ability to communicate between neighboring 3-dimensional spaces at something like 10,000 times the speed of light. (D&C 88:13)

    The three possible states or dimensions (kingdoms, or spheres) operate independently, and yet they are intrinsically intertwined with the framework of the smallest structures imaginable. Each level within being controlled by light (in all its forms,) and vibrating at their particular frequencies. The speed of light in this Telestial sphere (as well as electrons) have a fixed level or speed. We do not know enough about other dimensions to make the same conclusion. But the scientists admit to “instantaneous” communication of pared particles, (where a particle in one dimension is effected by it’s partner particle. No speed limit is able to be applied in quantum interactions. Perhaps the other spheres of existence (or universes) have their own vibrational, upper limit for light, but we cannot measure it. All we can assume is that this universe’s frequency and speed cannot exceed the speed of light.

    The 88th section describes that each of the 3 hierarchical kingdoms we are concerned with. These abide upon the laws of that kingdom (or dimension.) In order to obtain the highest glory we (our bodies and spirits) will need to be “quickened” so that spirit and body, fused together, can abide that higher law. (Now, up until recently, I had always thought the term “quickened” meant to “give life” or to “animate” [in the strictest, most common sense it does mean this,] but what if we were to read 88:17, 26, 28-32 to mean “elevated in frequency” literally vibrating at a higher speed?

    I find it significant that the Lord begins the section by explaining to Joseph about the light of Christ. Is not the Lord telling us that “He” is the keeper of existence(s)? The Lord then explains that this same controlling principle will “quicken” our understandings, and then he goes into defining how the resurrection and elevation of our bodies will occur.

    Quantum theory is only a name that scientists use to define the forces of nature; the means by which an electromagnetic particle gains mass or the substance of matter is made usable to us in this sphere of existence, within the fabric of space? The phrases “let us go up” or “let us go down” may literally be referring to matter passing up or down within the dimensional framework by the quickening (or slowing) of the bodies vibrational speed. Even more mind expanding is the thought or teaching that the Telestial, Terrestrial, and Celestial abide side-by-side in any manifestation of matter? Hence, the teachings of Joseph Jr. and Brigham Young telling the saints that passing from mortality in death was like passing through a door into another room. It is here, all around us, and we in it.

    I will have to stop here. I apologize for the incompleteness of what I’ve mentioned above. I’ve never sat down and tried to put these thoughts into written words. The last thing I would want to convey is to say that I unequivocally believe any of the above to be correct or absolute in their meaning. But I can see the suggestion and possibility of some of these things to be present in their most recent findings.

    Another interesting approach to “existence” was in a Discovery Magazine article that can be read at this “rather long” URL.

    http://discovermagazine.com/2009/may/01-the-biocentric-universe-life-creates-time-space-cosmos

    You might enjoy reading this and then to think upon the phrase the Savior used in which he said, “In my Father’s House are many mansions.” Rather than thinking of villas and huge dream homes, as worldly minds might interpret the Lord’s words, perhaps he was referring to the “dimensions, kingdoms, or spheres of existence that our Father and all the Gods inhabit.

  9. Ethan

    Wow. Fascinating comments al around. Especially Dennis’ comments about physics and demensions. This is potentially revolutionary. I wonder what effect, if any, Brown’s book will have on the the LDS Church as it pertains to popular opinion. It is too bad that Mormonism is not given more of a nod in the book, I suspect that many readers will have no idea that a real religion espouses MANY of these radical insights. I can just imagine the well-studied anti-Mormons having a bitter gut check as Dan Brown lays out this erudite case for Mormon doctrine. Wait until Hollywood unleashes the film to the millions who don’t read the book!

    Between this and the Twilight Saga’s central theme of deification, it seems the peculiar LDS doctrine of exaltation is having a ridiculously good year in massive, global pop culture.

  10. Blake

    I read this book and had posted similar comments about the book to my friends. It is refreshing to see such a nice summary of all the feelings I had while I read the book. Thank you for the incredible blog.

  11. vulkin.mormon

    recently it has been determined that the galaxies of the universe have been accelerating away from each other from a central point in space. this has answered the scientific investigation into whether the universe would eventualy colapse back on it’s self (too little energy to overcome gravity etc.) or whether the universe would just keep going on it’s merry way into the great infinite beyond (too much energy ) , etc. etc. etc. …but the suprising finding that the galaxies were infact …accelerating away from a cental point… was quite a suprise. why? because that would mean there is a type of energy in the universe that no body knew about. wich would mean there is a type of matter that no body knew about. this is called… dark matter… and… dark energy. why dark? no reason really. they had to call it something, and since no body could see it, why not call it dark? many many years ago ofcourse joseph smith explained ” fine matter”. this “fine matter” could not be seen because it was much too fine (like an x-ray but even smaller… or finer) and very extensive throughout the universe. indeed everything that is or will be… including God and planets and panda bears… must contain ‘fine matter’ in the form of spirit. furthermore unincorperated ‘fine matter’ exists extensively to be used later as building blocks for the spirit creations of the future… including future spirit-planets, future spirit-pandas, and future spirit humans aka god-potentials. joseph smith had a word for fine matter… intellegences… the basic building block of the fine matter multi-dimensional multi-verse. so rather than “dark matter” what we now recognize as real is really “light matter” because intellegence is “light”… a type of light that science did not recognize back in joseph smiths lifetime. ofcourse science has not caught up with joseph smiths recognition that fine matter has i.q. of a sufficient level to have choice capability, and thus be called an intellegence. though science continues to be puzzled over such phenonimon as schrodingers cat dilema and “spooky action from a distance”… these puzzling mysteries are all easily explained by joseph smiths conception of the multi-verse (matter has i.q. and thus choice capability and also communication capability as well in a multi-dimensional multiverse etc. etc.). present day cloud computing is beginning to harness similiar princepals albeit at an incredibly lower level of sophistication than what joseph smith explained in the d & c, and elsewhere. (substitute a computer for a really dum intellegence … in the “cloud”… and you sort of have where machine intellegence and cloud computing is heading… though oh so crudly, ofcourse). while science and engineering, chronicly and consistenly, lag behind joseph smith and his marvelous and astute vision of reality (how many lab-rats had to be killed before it was proven that tobacoe was seriously unhealthy) it hasn’t stopped science fiction from stepping in and building worlds with brother josephs basic rules as it’s foundation. case in point. star wars . obi-wan kenobie, yoda, and darth vader (aka anikin skywalker), all appear as preresurected spirits after their death in the originally made trilogy. needless to say this was intrecal to the plot for star wars as we know it today. how many religions find this view of an afterlife sensible? how many even build temples at massive expense all over the world based on this princepal??? that there is life (as a spirit etc. etc. etc.) afterdeath?? also scientist have a very difficult time with the phisics of light sabers, the force, and other basic phisics in star wars. afterall how does one get the force to flow through ones self? (ask an lds missionay about that last one). in star wars love is a primary driver of the story. romantic love (extensively covered by joseph smith, for certain), and other kinds of love as well, is abundent in the star wars space opera. indeed the whole plot of star wars rests on the foundations of a sons love for his father (luke skywalker for ananikin skywalker i.e. darth vader) wich as any (even somewhat) devoute mormon knows is what the whole lds gospel is all about “else the earth will be utterly waisted at my (jesus christ’s) [second ] comming”. obiwan is a similar charactor to abenodie in the book of mormon. flip the story of alma and alma the younger (for each other) and skywalker jr. and skywalker sr. have significant elements in common. king noah in the book of mormon reapears as the fat slug like creature jabba the hut. the emporer in star wars could be seen as an echo of the gadianton robbers and an amalgimation of the traitors and tyrants and politicians who became kings and rulers through murder, assasination, propiganda, and secret combinations… all very much a part of the book of mormon story, to be sure. gary kurtz explained how the idea of star wars came about. he and george lucas were both working on filming the movie “american grafitee” . gary kurtz was george lucas immeadiate supervisor, aka producer. they both worked on the story for star wars and eventually made it into a movie. every actor , employee, story element etc. had to be aproved by gary kurtz. george lucas had very little religious background to speak of, and had to rely on much of the story elements… especially the qausi-religious philisophical underpinnings of star wars…with his mentor and movie producer boss gary kurtz. so how did so much lds philosophy and book of mormon plot elements get into a space opera??? perhaps the fact that gary kurtz was mormon may have had something to do with it. of course there are many many many movie and t.v. series concepts that can be traced back to mormon producers. glen larsen, battle star galactica, six million dollar man ( and woman), wonder woman, quantum leap, etc. etc. etc. the list is very long indeed just talking about science fiction. jerry nolan jurasic park etc. etc. many many movies (often with stephen spilberg) from him . certainly lds producers and artists have made a significant impact on american and world cultural , introducing lds phisics, stories, concepts of love, and so forth. and good recent example is the twilight movies and books written by mormon mommy stephanie meyers, a sunday school teacher who taught chastity in church before doing so in record breaking amounts in her movies and books. orsen scott card is also a mormon sunday school teacher writing speculative fiction books and so on. so who knows, if science fiction can adopt joseph smiths philosophies and stories… covertly ofcourse… then maybe science will do so even more than it has. joseph smith said himself that the day would come when his name shall be had amoung all people, for good or bad. already his influence is fealt in many unreconized ways, impacting millions, even billions, both outside the lds church, and inside the church. resistance to [what he insists was true] is as strong as the dark side of the force. but the truth will and must prevail. slowly but surely his philosophies sink into the collective subconscious of the masses, and become “facts” and “truth” though they (the masses) don’t even know it. his death only made his impact and influence that much more holy and unstopable. books that include his philosophies like stephainie meyers twilight books and orsen scott cards enders game books, sale millions of copies, and apeal to something primal and deap within the soul of those who read them. movies with lds philosophies hidden deep within their plot lines like star wars or battle star galactica continue to cause untold numbers of people to resonate with a spiritual force that impacts the faith of those who are influenced by them. everyday thousands of missionaries the world over, in jungles, in cities, in villages, on every continenent pass on the words of an obscure farm boy from an obscure place and time in history who had scant education in a backwoods area known as upstate new york. and the forces of darkness continue to battle against him on the internet, in the non-l.d.s. churches, and wherever darkness creeps and hides. but the darkness must secome to the light. and evermore it seems, people like george lucas, stephen spielberg, and famous authors like [dan brown] contain elements of philosophy in their books and movies that must sweep the world in it’s entirety, even when they, themselves, are not l.d.s… and in most curious ways the gospel is promoted and science cannot help but progress in the way that truth attracts. because a backwoods, under-educated country boy, son of a farmer said so. and that makes all the difference. and anyone with eyes can see that is so. who can stop the truth? those who oppose it will be everlastingly destroyed… but those who promote it (in themselves and others) will live forevever… simple logic indicates this to be accurate. simple logic indicates this to be true. afterall isn’t it more logical to trust people who believe in moral perfection, as opposed to those who don’t? logic what a concept……………

  12. Dennis

    In reply to “Vulkin.Mormon” (or should that be “Vulcan” assuming you’re referring to “Star Trek” and not some other plot line.)

    I hadn’t known about any LDS connection in Star Wars. I had always thought that George Lucas had claimed to have conversed with a ZEN Buddhist in developing many of Obi-Wan’s and Yoda’s teachings. But, other than Buddhism’s denial of Jesus Christ and the physical ressurection, the spiritual practices of ZEN and Buddhism in general are very uplifting and helpful to the Latter-day Saints. I find much truth in their meditative recommendations, and I believe unless our spiritual practice is more righteously diligent than these our brethren, we will be found lacking.

    Anyway, on a lighter note….When you mentioned about LDS influences on movies and other modern media genres in general, it resurrected a fond memory as if it were yesterday.

    One evening, decades ago, (back in i978 or 79, I think it was,) I was watching the weekly episode of my then-favorite TV series, “Battlestar Galactica.” It was episode # 8 “War of the Gods.”

    I will never forget it when, in that episode, Starbuck (not the coffee conglomerate, ) had just been defeated and killed by the evil Count Iblis. But, shortly thereafter, both Starbuck and Sheba find themselves having a near-death-experience. They have been taken aboard a “Ship of Light” where they meet three radiant beings.

    Sheba, looking about and then at Starbuck says, “I think we might be dead!? Then Starbuck turns to the entities and asks, “Is she right? Are we dead, and you’re angels of light. The lead entity, replies, “Oddly enough, there is much truth to your speculation.”

    Starbuck asks, “Why are you doing all this? ”
    Entity: “Because we fight a common foe; the forces of darkness and evil throughout space and across all star systems.”
    Starbuck again asks, “But why are you bothering with us? We are only a simple handful of human survivors!”
    Entity: “It is because, as you are now, we once were, and as we are now, you may become.”

    Say What!
    I nearly scared my 3 little kids to death, as I yelled at my wife, “Honey you can’t imagine what I just heard quoted on Battlestar Galactica!!” (For me, hearing that phrase on national television, was so absolutely exciting you would’ve thought I was watching the 1980 BYU – SMU “Miracle Bowl” where Jim McMahon threw his “hail-Emma” pass completion and won the game as the last 2 seconds on the clock ran out.) Interestingly, the remainder of the dialog put forth this idea.

    Starbuck asks the entities, “Will you show us the way?”
    Entity: “Perhaps we can reveal to you a place of beginning.”
    Starbuk: ” And what about Count Iblis, is he one of you?”
    Entity: Through pride he was cast down. He now uses his powers to corrupt and lead other away from the truth.”
    Sheba: “But why can’t you stop him?”
    Entity: Because we cannot interfere with freedom of choice. His, yours, or anyone’s. Even Count Iblis is bound by these eternal laws. In his final confrontation with Apollo on the red planet, Apollo correctly revealed his true identity.
    (flash back)
    Apollo: “You can command no one who does not willingly give you dominion over them.
    You have not power over me.”
    Iblis: “Do You know who I am?”
    Apollo: “Yes, I finally know… Sheba, think back to the ancient records:
    the names Mephistopheles, Diabolis, the Prince of Darkness.”

    Of course, at the time, even though I didn’t know who had written it, I was certain someone of LDS faith had very definitely inserted quite a number of LDS proper names, ideas, and speculative comments. Phrases that held an amazing amount of truthful, sincere, and thoughtful Mormon philosophy. That was before the internet, but still, I was able to go to the Layton Public Library and find out about Glen Larson. I discovered he was both a producer and writer, and in this case the creator of the BG series.

    The script fairly bristled with Mormonisms. A marriage on the Colonial ship was referred to as “being sealed” to one another for time and eternity. The leaders of the fleeing human race made up the Council of the Twelve.” They casually mention their predecesors as having come from Kolob. The list went on, to the extent that I can’t even remember all the words or syntax that were just part of the dialog of the fleeing fleet of space ships. (Arks I think they called them.) I do not know if the 2003 TV remake (SiFi Channel) used any LDS terms or ideas, since I was never able to watch it.

    Anyway, thanks for the memory restart. Again, what I wrote two weeks ago, (and also now what Bro. Vulkin wrote,) is, at best, purely conjecture and supposition on our part. But it is very entertaining to think about. So, even though I do not have trouble in understanding some of the concepts and possibilities you put forth, my main point is, whatever we may theorize about is all well and good. Still, we must continue developing our strong faith and study within the revealed word.

    Whether we understand the “fabric” of the Universe, how matter is ordered for sustaining life, or just what happens to us “from a scientific view” as disembodied spirits, or resurrected beings, all these things will be shown to us in the good time of the Lord. I do not think He is annoyed, in the least, at man for seeking the answer to these “big” questions; either by faith or by study.

    “For it pleaseth God that he hath given all these things unto man; for unto this end were they made to be used, with judgment, not to excess, neither by extortion. And in nothing doth man offend God, or against none is his wrath kindled, save those who confess not his hand in all things, and obey not his commandments. (D&C 59:20–21)

    For me, learning and knowing what Joseph Smith was inspired to reveal to the world, will continue to be proven “not only as being correct” but “spot-on” in the description of time space and matter. So, we shouldn’t get too firmly attached to our own personal vain imaginations.

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    D

    A couple of questions about your idea and proposal about matter having intelligence… I won’t argue or flat out say that isn’t correct… but there are things organized and given freedom to act, (those have agency or choice,) and there are also those that are meant to be acted upon. I don’t contend that matter has no “spirit” because that would be incorrect, but I do know that matter of all kinds can be organized to “embody” an intelligence, or in the case of our mortal matter, a spirit. However, if that intelligence or spirit chooses to sin, it too can then lose it’s ability to act, and will therefore, be acted upon. (This is the crux of the problem for mortals, we are, in our natural state, prone to sinning and can lose both our agency, and our control over our decision making process. If not here in mortality, then after we leave this mortal existence. The LAWS of God are set. When we are obedient, the laws of heaven cannot refrain from blessing us and causing us to be enlarged in good choices. But if we do not what He says, we have no promise.

  13. Yak

    I’m new to your website, and I thank you for the great insights. I too just finished The Lost Symbol and found it very interesting, being a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints myself. Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and other modern prophets all chose to define the Gospel as “Truth”. Reminds me of the lecture Peter Solomon gave when he was challenged about his beliefs…..
    The Mormon faith embraces all truth–whether scientific, religious, spiritual, or what have you. More importantly, it provides a framework and “tools”” to determine what is true and what is not.

  14. Darkbull

    Just started reading Dan Brown’s book and came across your blog. Very interesting and compelling insights.

    The thing that has struck me in this entire discussion is that (and I’m only about 100 pages into “The Lost Symbol”) there is a search for the power latent in the human mind/spirit that Langdon’s friend and sister are seeking, and that the antagonist (the tattoo man–kind of like the smoking man, eh?) is seeking to keep this knowledge hidden from the masses. Similarly, Christ has taught us that great knowledge is hidden for multiple reasons: to avoid its abuse, to protect those who wouldn’t understand how to use it wisely, and to damn those who don’t actively seek it (there may be other reasons, but those are the ones that most quickly come to my mind).

    On page 100, Mal’akh ponders that, “Katherine’s research was poised to open a new door of understanding, and once the door was opened even a crack, others would follow. It would just be a matter of time before everything changed. I cannot let that happen. The world must stay as it is… adrift in ignorant darkness.” One might see a nefarioius purpose in his plan, but I considered the possibility that God sometimes protects/shields us from greater light because we are not ready to receive it. That is one of the great purposes of symbols and allegories. As one gains more wisdom, they understand rituals, ceremonies, ordinances to a greater degree than they did previously. He also keeps a people in darkness, like he did the Lamanites, because He knows that we each must be accountable for the knowledge we gain, and He loves us enough to not give us that knowledge until we have the potential to do something good with it.

    Hence, I could see how a character like Mal’akh might be a protector–not of secret knowledge, but a protector of those who might unwittingly expose themselves to the burden of its stewardship. I’m sure that as I continue on with the book, I’ll find out that that’s not the case, but it is interesting to consider that viewpoint on his purpose.

  15. Darkbull

    Bryce,

    I just finished reading through your paper. Thanks for putting it out there for our reading. I enjoyed it. Another movie I thought of when reading your paper was “Dark City” with Rufus Sewell, a story of a city created by an alien race–and one man who stays awake during the time period when the aliens emerge to change things in their “experiment”. He is continually seeking a beach that is in his memory, but that doesn’t exist. Captivating movie.

    Additionally, in your discussion of LDS doctrine and it’s relationship to the Cave allegory, I was surprised you didn’t discuss Lehi and Nephi’s vision of the Tree of Life, how people were blinded by the fog and were lost (blinded by the light), how the spacious building was full of people who mocked those who would seek the Tree (outside of the cave), and how some partook of the tree (emerged from the cave), but then became ashamed and fell away (going back to the “safety” of their prior reality). Nonetheless, though I feel a bit embarrassed to have been ignorant of this allegory, thank you for sharing it with me. I had never heard of it before, and didn’t see the link between things like “The Matrix” and Rush’s “2112.” (excellent choice, by the way).

    Another scriptural parallel to the “Cave” that I have always found beautifully poetic, but never saw in this light until now, is Hebrews chapter 11. Paul shares the notion of exiting the cave in a longing way, speaking of recognizing the falsehood of the cave (v.14), the fear of one leaving the cave (v. 15), and then finally striking out into the sunlight (v.16). I’m so glad I learned of this allegory, because it just adds that much more to how much I have always loved that scripture!

    What I find essential in this discussion is the fact that we can theorize on the possibility that this is all a dream, and find interesting notions to explain why it is such. But to what end does this bring us? If it doesn’t serve a purpose, it becomes the stuff of salons and High Priest group meetings (little joke there), talk without action. That is where the religious aspect of this “science” is so important, because the purpose of these theories is to motivate us toward our and our fellow man’s salvation. To become saviors in a small way as the Savior himself, and in doing so, exiting the “Matrix” or “cave” or “coming to the Tree” or coming to the “city” that God has prepared for us.

  16. Rolando Salazar

    Just started reading Dan Brown’s Lost Sysmbol and was Googling the apothoesis of Washington and found your blog. Great stuff. I was also intrigued by his gospel references. I would refer you to a fascinating series on Science Channel hosted by Morgan Freeman called Through the Wormhole. The series explores many of quantum physics theories. The theories are interesting to the LDS viewer as many nuggets of knowledge are scattered throughout the show touching upon Mormon doctrine in referrence to intelligences and other dimensions. The first episode tackles intelligent design.

  17. Andrew Lacayo

    I too think it’s interesting that “intelligences” were mentioned in the book, however I don’t agree with your interpretation of what an intelligence is. Yes it is not the clearest thing to read about in Abraham, but in D&C 93:29 it says intelligence was not created or made, it was eternal, however, we do know our spirit bodies were created at a specific moment in our existence, although the material that they were made from is also eternal. So therefore, intelligence is different logically, than spirit bodies. I’ve heard all the arguments about intelligences being the same as spirits, but even in the January 2005 Ensign it states that “spirit bodies housed intelligence” proving the church doctrine is that intelligences are different than spirit bodies, and that intelligences are pre-spirit body entities. So whatever else that has been said about the subject that teaches something different, even from Joseph Smith, is just a misinterpretation.

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