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  1. John Dawson

    While your article is true it is a bit misleading. The body, under normal conditions, handles acetaldehyde without any negative effects. It is only when it is in large quantities, such as with binge drinking that the build up occurs. I’m not trying to advocate breaking the word of wisdom but it is important that we don’t overstate or stretch the truth to fit our ideas.

  2. Nate W.

    “What makes it interesting in this context is that this single chemical is present in all of the main proscriptions of the Word of Wisdom, namely the consumption of coffee, tea, alcohol, and tobacco.”

    Acetaldehyde is also present in fruit, vegetables, dairy products and bread in as similar concentrations. I agree with John Dawson—don’t stretch the truth to fit your ideas…

  3. DB

    You claim that section 89 of the D&C proscribes the consumption of alcohol which is untrue. It proscribes the consumption of strong drinks and wine except for it’s use in the sacrament. However, mild drinks made from barley are allowed. Mild drinks made from barley would be beer which, as you explained in your last comment, contain much less alcohol than wine or spirits (strong drinks). So, section 89 does allow the consumption of limited amounts of wine and the consumption of beer.

    Now, some ignorant folks will claim that mild drinks made from barley are not beer but some other modern non-alcoholic barley based beverage. Hogwash. Unless you can discover some other common 1830’s era non-alcoholic barley based beverage, mild drinks made from barley means beer. Remember that the instructions in section 89 were meant to be understood by folks living in the 1830’s who had never lived by any type of dietary restriction. If you asked a group of such folks what’s a mild drink made from barley, they would unanimously say it’s beer.

  4. DB

    That’s not just an interpretation, that’s exactly what section 89 says. Have any of the apostles ever taught that mild drinks made from barley are not beer? I don’t believe they have. You have to understand that section 89 and the church’s prohibition policy are not the same thing. The Lord revealed section 89, which was not given as a commandment or requirement, to Joseph Smith in 1833. The church established a policy, in the early 1900’s, prohibiting the consumption of alcohol. Before then, wine was still used for the sacrament and members did consume alcohol in varying degrees. Now, that is forbidden by the church’s policy, not by section 89. Although cough syrup and vanilla extract are still allowed. The prohibition policy is based on section 89 but it didn’t change or reinterpret anything about section 89. They are not the same thing. However, because of the prohibition policy, members tend to apply a very strict interpretion to the verses of section 89 concerning alcohol, tobacco, coffee, and tea while allowing a very loose and open interpretation of the other verses.

    If you have another way to interpret section 89, please explain. Do you believe that section 89 forbids the use of wine for the sacrament? Do you believe that mild drinks made from barley mean something other than beer? If so, what non-alcoholic barley based beverages were people making back in the 1830’s?

  5. DB

    The church does have a policy against the consumption of alcohol but that was not received by revelation as a commandment. Section 89 was not given as a commandment – that is clearly stated in verse 2. If a revelation was received which made section 89, or any part of section 89, a commandment, were is that revelation recorded, which president of the church received it, and when was it received? Can you answer that? There was no revelation – instead, there is a policy based on a portion of section 89 that was developed over many years by the Apostles of the church. That doesn’t make it any less relevant but let’s recognize it for what it is.

    Also, mild drinks made of barley did not include beer in 1833. Mild drinks made of barley were beer in 1833. “Strong drink” in section 89 refers to distilled alcohol. “Pure wine of the grape of the vine” refers to purely fermented wine, not fortified wine.

  6. JR

    Pres. Heber Grant is the one who cracked down on the Saints to start following the Word of Wisdom and made it a requirement to follow it or no Temple recommend among other things. Those Saints who did not follow the W of W before Pres. Grant were tolerated and told to drink, chew, and smoke discretely.

    My parents were converts and did not smoke or drink prior to converting to the church. My mother comes from a line of alcoholics and mental illness and she was afraid to start drinking because she did not want to end up like other members of her family. I have witnessed first hand what alcoholism and drug addiction does. Last year my mother’s last surviving sibling passed away suddenly. After the funeral everyone was drinking (a lot). I was asked repeatedly if I wanted an alcoholic drink. I politely said no but I would take a soda. My step-cousin asked me if the reason I wasn’t drinking was because I was Mormon. I said yes, and then told everyone that my mother, their Aunt and sister-in-law, did not drink before she converted to the Mormon church because of the family alcoholism problem, and even if she had not converted I probably would not drink either. And I told them my father did not drink before converting. They did not know that about my parents.
    Following the counsel of the Word of Wisdom does bless us spiritually and physically. Following the counsel of our leaders blesses us. Because it comes from heavenly Father and His Son, and They tell us to follow Them and keep Their commandments. Addiction has cost civilization greatly in many, many ways. Even food addiction and eating wrong things is harmful and unhealthy. It amazes me how many members do not follow the counsel of the nutritional aspect (food) of the W of W. Eating well is just as important as not drinking coffee/tea/alcohol and not smoking.
    The problem with “science” concerning foods/drinks/substances etc. is that one year it is bad for us and the next year it is good for us. Then the next year no one is really sure if it is good or bad. Then it has these benefits, then it doesn’t, then it might have benefits. And round and round it goes. On almost everything.
    Great information! There is always something new to learn. It is important to keep learning.

  7. Brad Haymond

    DB, I don’t understand what your point here is. Whether or not beer was specifically interpreted by the leaders of the church in 1833 as included in the prohibitions of the Word of Wisdom doesn’t really matter. Modern-day prophets and apostles since then HAVE. The current prophets and apostles have.

    I think Bryce’s point of the article is that the Lord knows what he is talking about when he gives words of wisdom, and that all the elements mentioned as not good for the body specifically in section 89, and the subsequent interpretations by prophets and apostles – are not good for the body.

    I think it is pretty interesting that Bryce found a specific substance linking all of them in a deleterious way. I had never seen this analyzation before.

    Are you trying to be helpful by a pedantic fixation on semantics?

  8. PapaD

    During the three decades after the Revolutionary War in America, many factors contributed to what was deemed by many to be the excessive use of alcohol. This concern paralleled a similar sentiment in Europe, which in turn led a great many Christian religions to advocate for greater restraint in the availability and use of alcohol. this sentiment became so popular that it led to what was and is still referred to as The Temperance Movement. Temperance is today an archaic word, but it meant to curb or temper the use of alcohol (and became generally related to higher societal and moral values). Beer was indeed a plentiful form or alcoholic drink during this time, but it was not the only available drink made from barley and other grains. It is unlikely that this Section D&C referred to.
    Nonalcoholic malt beverages made primarily from barley and hops had been produced for centuries prior to the 19th Century. They were especially popular in Middle Eastern Countries and parts of India and Asia where Islam had spread. Grains such as barley were mainstay foodstuffs for people since the beginning of recorded history–especially in the Middle East and the Holy Land. It is natural that beverages made from these grains became part of the mainstay diet of these people. Drunkenness is condemned throughout the Bible and religious writings of these and virtually every other significant civilization. Alcohol was used and tolerated by some of these peoples, but never to excess. Alcoholic drinks were not consumed on a day-to-day basis by most of them, and not at all by many. Women and children have universally been insulated from the use of alcohol by all prominent societies. Even men were not encouraged to regularly consume alcoholic beverages–except on holidays and in moderate amounts. But nonalcoholic beverages were a mainstay family drink depended upon for nutrition by the whole families. These beverages were not alcoholic beers as we know them today. They were different. They were truly mild drinks–containing no alcohol, or insignificant amounts of alcohol.
    It is further supposed by some historians that these barley malt beverages were heated in order to evaporate the alcohol that was an inevitable and initial undesirable by-product of fermentation. Alcohol was recognized as a toxin in their otherwise nutritious daily food beverages. It is easily removed by heating because it turns into a gas at a lower temperature than does water and the other liquids in the malted liquid. Evaporation as a means of removing alcohol entirely reasonably preceded distilling the alcohol to be used separately. Distillation requires extra steps and is not so easily accomplished as is evaporation–although the knowledge that the alcohol goes somewhere must have rationally led to experiments in distillation. Subsequently, even within places and among cultures that did not readily allow drinking alcohol or drunkenness–distillation was known and used to extract alcohol as an external disinfectant, an internal medicine or anesthetic, a fuel, and as a product to export. But this was later in the evolution of fermented beverages. Even so, the primary purpose of distillation was probably used to rid the malt brew of alcohol, not to make alcohol–at least initially.And in any event, the nonalcoholic potion that was left was good for food. Where alcohol can kill you, the nonalcoholic brew is good for you.
    Fermentation also produces yeast. Yeast is highly nutritious. The growth of yeast produces carbon dioxide–which causes the effervescent quality (bubbles) in these brews which may have been thought to both enhance the flavor and the same pleasantness associated with the fizz in carbonated drinks. It also is not so easily removed as is alcohol. Fermentation is a form of natural carbonation.
    The Temperance Movement was in full swing when the Word of Wisdom came to be. The popularity of these ancient nonalcoholic drinks had reached an apex in history and were as commonplace than was beer, if not more-so. These drinks were separate and distinct from beer. They were known by such names as lager, small beer, little beer, gruel-water, near-beer, and maybe a dozen other names–and even ale. As the melting pot that America was mixed various languages and cultures, these terms became confused, or lost. But people living in America then commonly new the difference. It was not hard to test these products, since drinking one or more beers, would produce at least a minimal intoxication, whereas it was impossible to drink enough of the nonalcoholic malt beverage to become intoxicated.
    Although the years that have passed since those times to this modern day–through almost a hundred years of the Temperance Movement and the days of Prohibition, followed by a relaxation of rules and laws may have obscured common knowledge of these conditions among many people, nonalcoholic malt beverages continue to have a popular following among members of some religions, cultures, and countries–for the same reasons that they were then and anciently. They are considered by those to be tasty, nutritious, and desirable to promote health. Also, as a result of those events, various cultural and legal definitions have arisen to define which is which. During prohibition, it was determined that a trace amount of alcohol would be reasonable to allow in order to provide producers a small margin of error. However, it was then and is now, known that many common foods and beverages naturally contain small amounts of alcohol.
    For example, research known both then and now discloses that fresh orange juice contains upwards to a full 1% alcohol content. This is an insignificant amount. It harms no-one. The benchmark established as allowable, defining nonalcoholic malt beverages in America during the prohibition was half that at .05%. Today’s production methods make the amount far less–usually none. Thee continues to be some confusion in America regarding the nature of these drinks. A few states still legally consider them to be adult drinks and require proof of age to buy them. Most do not. But even in those that do not, stores and restaurants often demand to see an ID even from elderly consumers. Many religious people refuse to show an ID, as this would imply that they are buying alcohol. The Middle East and Indonesia continue to be the primary consumers of such beverages, but they are also still increasing in popularity in America. Early Mormons were aware of such drinks, did not confuse them with real beer, and drank them readily. They still do. Utah, as a state, is the number one consumer of nonalcoholic beer in America.

  9. Andrew Lacayo

    I agree with Bryce. Those who oppose what he is saying sound like people that don’t pay a full tithing because some scriptures state we are to pay tithing on our surplus. Why sustain current leaders unless we are going to obey their words? Just like what Joseph Smith taught is more important than what Paul taught; those that came after Joseph Smith are more important to us than Joseph Smith. We are to follow our living prophets and how they interpret the scriptures of the dead prophets.

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