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  1. Daniel

    Bryce, I always appreciate your posts and insight, and I have read your previous posts regarding consecration. I am all for exploration and “digging” into doctrine. It seems, though, that you might be taking some liberties here in reinterpreting the law as it applies to church members in our day. A statement from the First Presidency to stake presidents back in 1970 (a form of which I am sure is in the current handbook), which I am sure you have read might help:

    “For your guidance in this matter, please be advised that we have uniformly replied that the simplest statement we know of is that statement of the Lord himself that the members of the Church should pay one-tenth of all their interest annually, which is understood to mean income. No one is justified in making any other statement than this. We feel that every member of the Church should be entitled to make his own decision as to what he thinks he owes the Lord, and to make payment accordingly.”

    We are not asked to deduct from our income all that is surplus, etc., and then pay 10% of what is left. We are asked to pay 10% of our income/increase. While I would agree that those with exceeding excess ought to counsel with the Lord and determine what they ought to give (NO ONE, in my opinion, needs 4 cars, 2 vacation homes, and a flat-screen in every room “just to have”), the Apostles do not put specific requirements on this. We are asked to give generous fast offerings, I would assume that are proportional to our means. But many people in our day struggle heavily to make ends meet and pay tithing, and giving that 10% literally is all they can spare. (It’s the widow’s mite, so to speak).

    One day (in the Millennium I presume), the United Order will be re-instituted (as described in Moses and 4 Nephi), wherein all will labor for Zion (give 100% of themselves), and in return all people will be provided for and taken care of (all things common, no rich and poor, etc.) While I understand the principle of consecrating ourselves in this day to God’s Kingdom (including money, time, other means, and most importantly ones’ heart), we also have other responsibilities and there needs to be a balance. We are also counselled to save money (Pres. Hinckley), to enjoy the fruits of our labor (within reason), etc.

  2. Daniel

    Thanks for your response Bryce. Regarding the “widow’s mite” concept, I understand what you mean, the idea being that the poor widow who cast in all that she had was giving more than the hypocritical Pharisees who had an exceeding abundance and loved to show off how much they were giving. Yet we are not required to give to the church “all that we have,” otherwise we would all be homeless and destitute and miserable indeed. I don’t believe that to be God’s will. I wonder if the story isn’t so much about money as it is about the heart. Where is my heart? The Lord knows each of our circumstances–how much we have, what our needs for survival are, our capabilities, etc. The Law of Consecration as given in the temple (which is in connection with tithing) states that we “consecrate” (make holy; set apart) our means, time, abilities, etc., for God’s work. The specifics of this (as most things in the gospel) are left up to the individual and the Lord. We are taught to not hold back anything from God and to be generous. I’m not pointing fingers; I could certainly use improvement here as we all can. I agree completely that we are not to wait for the reinstatement of the United Order to give ourselves to God, but beyond the specifics of the 10% tithing, it is left up to the individual and the Lord.

  3. A marvelous read and very inspiring-much to ponder…thank you so much for taking the time to study and share these important concepts. I’m especially glad that you pointed out the more recent mentions by our prophets. I’ve not read the first 3 parts yet…looking forward to them when I get an opportunity.

  4. Sandy

    I’ve been introduced to your site fairly recently and really appreciate all the research you have done. You have some excellent insights and share much fascinating information.

    I think it is valuable to note that consecrating things to the Lord doesn’t necessarily need to involve physical offerings to the church. I think the family with a big house that is frequently letting youth come over or hosting ward activities is consecrating their home. I’m not expected to be as Hannah and ask the temple president to raise my son to be a temple worker, but I am expected to instill a love and understanding of the Gospel in him.
    We can give all of our surplus in fast offerings, or we can give it in other ways – like saving up to serve a senior mission during retirement years.

    The point is that we are stewards of all the Lord has given us, including our physical means, knowledge, time, talents, families, and our bodies. Like the parable of the talents, we should be using what we are given wisely so that we can give back more than we are given to start with. When the Lord gives us blessings, we should give back.

  5. Bryce Haymond,
    I’m not convinced, partly because I think like a lawyer, partly because I think you are abstracting the revelation from its time and place.
    I read it as saying that (1) at the time the revelation is issued, everyone is supposed to turn over their surplus property. After that, everyone is supposed to pay a tenth. (2) Later-baptized members are also supposed to turn over their surplus on their joining the community of the Saints. After that, they also pay a tenth every year.
    So really the only aspect of the modern law of tithing that is missing is a requirement that new converts turn over their surplus. But that aspect of the law of tithing has not been commanded by contemporary prophets. Even then, those of us who were baptized at the age of eight are probably still in compliance, since we didn’t have any ‘surplus’ at that age.
    That said, I agree with much of your larger point about the law of consecration still being in force and not being fully fulfilled by paying 10%.

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