1. I teach Seminary, and I was interested to see that the CES manual directed the students to D&C 67:10 to discuss how the Saints are able to “see the Lord”:

    “[I]t is your privilege, and a promise I give unto you that have been ordained unto this ministry, that inasmuch as you strip yourselves from jealousies and fears, and humble yourselves before me, for ye are not sufficiently humble, the veil shall be rent and you shall see me and know that I am—not with the carnal neither natural mind, but with the spiritual.”

    Thus, I was to emphasize to my students that seeing the Lord was only to be had in the spiritual sense, and not necessarily in the physical (natural) sense. Clearly, this scripture can be interpreted as explained above, however. And that is the tact that I took with my students. I believe that it is the right and privilege of every member of the House of Israel to see their King and enjoy his presence – which fits in well with the Second Comforter doctrine taught in John 14.

  2. Thanks for your comments Jeremy. Great scripture on the topic! I believe that seeing the Lord is not “only” a spiritual one, but a physical and spiritual experience. Our physical being is temporarily transformed into an elevated glorified being. It encompasses our whole being. I thought it was very interesting, for example, that the Lord called the event on the Mount of Transfiguration a “vision” while yet it was still a very literal physical experience for Him and the apostles. The carnal natures of all involved were abolished and their physical bodies were transfigured and elevated such that they were refined and glorified to endure the experience.

  3. Clay Pendleton

    Are there many recored writing concering early Prophets before Moses such as Abraham, Issac or Jacob receiving any visions while they were offering up sacrifices? To go up to the mountain would have been like a temple experence. I know Enoch, Adam & Eve as well as Jared as your picture shows, had them while offering up sacrifices.

  4. I believe in the blessing of seeing the face of God, and desire it–though it could be a little frightening, out of body experience — not really knowing what is happening. Though, I don’t know if anyone recorded feeling that way. Well, maybe Abraham when he sees the stars and all, he becomes dizzy. Maybe when the eyes of your understanding are enlightened, it is more comforting. There are a lot of ascension texts/experiences I have been reading about — (Nibley’s last book) would those be in this same category?

  5. Your comment about ascention texts is a very interesting one, Deila. I have read another book that parallels Nibley’s, called Stairway to Heaven by Peter Levenda. He traces ancient ascention doctrines from nearly every major continent. And they all have similar elements. In his last book, Nibley made the extremely interesting observation that the “other worlds” spoken of in the book of Moses might not only refer to other planets, but other aspects of this planet we are not aware of. ( See D&C 49:8, One Eternal Round p. 392-94)
    One more item that might help you as you seek for greater knowledge. Brigham Young made it clear that Satan will exert greater power against you according to your knowledge: ” The greater the vision, the greater the display of the power of the enemy. So when individuals are blessed with revelation, etc., look out, then the devil is nigh you, and you will be tempted in proportion to the visions you have received.” ( Journ. of Dis. 3:205-06, 13:280 ) This goes a long way in explaining why some of the early brethren such as Oliver Cowdery fell away, and why we need to prepare ourselves spiritually before we can be given more. Thus, the apostle Paul in his wisdom counselled: “Srong meat belongeth to them that are full of age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.” (Heb. 5:12–14) ( Being able to identify the powers and techniques of Satan.)
    One of the best books I have seen concerning seeking the face of the Lord and having one’s calling made sure, is Bruce McConkie’s The Promised Messiah. See the last two chapters. I read an account of a lady who was motivated from this book and after three years achieved the blessings promised there. Interestingly, it did NOT happen in the temple. While the Lord can and does appear there, he is not limited to it. My greatest spiritual experiences have not occured in the temple, but after having been there. I think of the temple more as a place that prepares one to become a temple within themself. So when John the revelator described the celestial city, he said: “I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb ARE the temple of it.” (Rev. 21:22)

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