1. I teach Seminary, and I was interested to see that the CES manual directed the students to D&C 67:10 to discuss how the Saints are able to “see the Lord”:

    “[I]t is your privilege, and a promise I give unto you that have been ordained unto this ministry, that inasmuch as you strip yourselves from jealousies and fears, and humble yourselves before me, for ye are not sufficiently humble, the veil shall be rent and you shall see me and know that I am—not with the carnal neither natural mind, but with the spiritual.”

    Thus, I was to emphasize to my students that seeing the Lord was only to be had in the spiritual sense, and not necessarily in the physical (natural) sense. Clearly, this scripture can be interpreted as explained above, however. And that is the tact that I took with my students. I believe that it is the right and privilege of every member of the House of Israel to see their King and enjoy his presence – which fits in well with the Second Comforter doctrine taught in John 14.

  2. Thanks for your comments Jeremy. Great scripture on the topic! I believe that seeing the Lord is not “only” a spiritual one, but a physical and spiritual experience. Our physical being is temporarily transformed into an elevated glorified being. It encompasses our whole being. I thought it was very interesting, for example, that the Lord called the event on the Mount of Transfiguration a “vision” while yet it was still a very literal physical experience for Him and the apostles. The carnal natures of all involved were abolished and their physical bodies were transfigured and elevated such that they were refined and glorified to endure the experience.

  3. Clay Pendleton

    Are there many recored writing concering early Prophets before Moses such as Abraham, Issac or Jacob receiving any visions while they were offering up sacrifices? To go up to the mountain would have been like a temple experence. I know Enoch, Adam & Eve as well as Jared as your picture shows, had them while offering up sacrifices.

  4. I believe in the blessing of seeing the face of God, and desire it–though it could be a little frightening, out of body experience — not really knowing what is happening. Though, I don’t know if anyone recorded feeling that way. Well, maybe Abraham when he sees the stars and all, he becomes dizzy. Maybe when the eyes of your understanding are enlightened, it is more comforting. There are a lot of ascension texts/experiences I have been reading about — (Nibley’s last book) would those be in this same category?

  5. Your comment about ascention texts is a very interesting one, Deila. I have read another book that parallels Nibley’s, called Stairway to Heaven by Peter Levenda. He traces ancient ascention doctrines from nearly every major continent. And they all have similar elements. In his last book, Nibley made the extremely interesting observation that the “other worlds” spoken of in the book of Moses might not only refer to other planets, but other aspects of this planet we are not aware of. ( See D&C 49:8, One Eternal Round p. 392-94)
    One more item that might help you as you seek for greater knowledge. Brigham Young made it clear that Satan will exert greater power against you according to your knowledge: ” The greater the vision, the greater the display of the power of the enemy. So when individuals are blessed with revelation, etc., look out, then the devil is nigh you, and you will be tempted in proportion to the visions you have received.” ( Journ. of Dis. 3:205-06, 13:280 ) This goes a long way in explaining why some of the early brethren such as Oliver Cowdery fell away, and why we need to prepare ourselves spiritually before we can be given more. Thus, the apostle Paul in his wisdom counselled: “Srong meat belongeth to them that are full of age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.” (Heb. 5:12-14) ( Being able to identify the powers and techniques of Satan.)
    One of the best books I have seen concerning seeking the face of the Lord and having one’s calling made sure, is Bruce McConkie’s The Promised Messiah. See the last two chapters. I read an account of a lady who was motivated from this book and after three years achieved the blessings promised there. Interestingly, it did NOT happen in the temple. While the Lord can and does appear there, he is not limited to it. My greatest spiritual experiences have not occured in the temple, but after having been there. I think of the temple more as a place that prepares one to become a temple within themself. So when John the revelator described the celestial city, he said: “I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb ARE the temple of it.” (Rev. 21:22)

  6. This is a very fascinating subject to me. Is there anything in the scriptures of from our modern day prophets which indicate a physical transfiguration during a Divine dream? Spiritual, yes, as D&C 67:10-12 and other scriptures indicate– Physical?

    I am a member of the church and. I was born and raised in the church. In my youth shortly after my baptism at age eight, I was probably in my most humble and innocent state. My slate had been wiped clean and I was, by the act of repentance and baptism, pure before Him. As an adult,it is my desire to somehow return to that state. During my dream, I was in a heavenly garden. I wish I could form words to describe the experience so the listener could understand, yet there are no words– man cannot. I was greeted by the Savior. To describe Him, turn to D&C 110 and read verses 1-5. This is the most perfect description of the being I witnessed. My experience was very similar to other LDS who have had an NDE, but it can also be classified as a Prebirth Experience or PBE, because the veil was parted and I saw I was my spirit self before I was born. During such an experience, was my physical body changed along with undergoing a spiritual transformation while I slept?

  7. The above experience while in that heightened state, seemed more real than any reality I have ever experienced. I truly felt as if I was in real life, in the presence of God! I also felt an overpowering, overwhelming sensation of pure love and peace, In the prophets dream about the Tree of Life, Lehi describes it as inexpressible Joy. Nephi adds that it was the pure Love of God. What I felt was the pure love of God and this sensation continued with me for several weeks following the dream. In the garden, it was filled with trees similar to the tree of life. No other dream had before or since effected me in such a way! So I want to know, was my body changed temporarily while in this state?

  8. Hi Russel,

    I’m not sure it matters in regard to your body. As Joseph Smith said, echoing the ancient apostle Paul; “…whether in the body or out, I cannot tell.” (D&C 137:1, 2Cor. 12:3) You notice also the descriptions of Moses when he talks about seeing with his spiritual eyes, NOT his natural. I have experienced that myself, which was not a dream, nor was it at all visual in the normal sense, yet the presense of an actual being with the accompanying power of love was more real, as you describe, than anything I’ve ever experienced.

  9. Lorenzo Snow saw the Lord in the Salt Lake Temple,just as Joseph and Oliver saw Him in the Kirtland Temple, and Moses saw the Lord as recorded in the Pearl of Great Price. How were they able to do it? By having the Holy Spirit surround them so with their eyes,physical or spiritual, could see him and receive his message.When the Vision was revealed in Kirtland to Joseph and Sidney,Joseph told those in the room he was used to receiving revelation,yet it wore out Sidney.See Moses 1:11,24-25. The more knowledge of the Savior we have the more we are accountable to live the Gospel,and be a witness of the Savior.

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